Catch-weights; Blowing up in Weight; Problem Solved?

[Benny Leonard]

You see divisions listed as such:

JrWW = 140

WW = 147


From my understanding, 140 pounds at JrWW would be the max weight-limit that is allowed for the weigh-in. The same is applied to WW being 147 max weight limit allowed for the weigh-in. Which means that a division, like WW, starts from 141 and ends at 147. That's the debate I remember hearing when Pac wanted fighters at catch-weights, like Shane at 142, and Cotto at 145...and even Roach at one time mentioned wanting to get Floyd down in weight to "take something away from him." But of course, you had fans defending that because 142 for example is still "WW."


So I suggest getting rid of such catch-weights and for allowing this:

For example: if WW is from 141-147, how about having Same Day Weigh-Ins, allowing for this room on the scales so that a fighter has that room to make weight comfortably but at the same time, not cancel the fight because there should be no excuse for him not to make weight. And if the fight is canceled, that goes back to my other thread I made a while back...heavy suspensions. I'm talking about heavy fines and year long (or more) suspension from fighting as the penalty.



Here is an example:

Hatton vs. Mayweather was held at 147/WW.

Hatton fought at both WW {147} and JrWW {140}. Most have argued that Hatton's best weight, well division at least, was at JrWW {140}.
Now of course, Hatton, like most, doesn't actually show up by fight-time at 140. He balloons up in weight. So why are we promoting a 140 fight?

Say it was 9 pounds that Ricky was gaining by fight-time in the JrWW, 140 max weight-limit division. Now Ricky can either just fight at 147 by fight-time or if 149 is his healthy fight-time weight...if you have a weigh-in at 3 PM on the day of the fight for an 11 PM fight, that gives you 8 hours to rehydrate 2 pounds since 147 is max at WW. That's a piss and a drink.

Floyd, a WW, tends not to practice the method of dehydrating his body for the scales and re-hydrating for the fight...which is why he was listed below 150 for his fights at WW (before he retired) on fight-night. 146-149 tended to be his weight I think.

So, if you look at that, actually having it at WW/147 was "healthier" on both fighters to make weight for the scales at that weight as opposed to dehydrating their bodies down to 140 and hoping they rehydrate properly for the fight. This shouldn't be about who is able to calculate the process of dehydrating the body for the scales and then re-hydrating it for the fight. It should be about two healthy fighters fighting.


Just think how divisions would change if you had to fight fighters your actual size by fight-time. Pac vs. Floyd would have been put on the table years ago considering Pac is one of those fighters that balloons up by fight-time.


It would also take this type of thing out of the picture:




Now if you want to face off against bigger fighters out of your division(which many fighters in history did and didn't care about weight (or height then you will at least know what weight the opponent will be around during fight-time. And just fight. A "at your own risk" sort of thing. Kind of like how little fighters from way back used to square off against much bigger men without "catch-weights." Just for the $
Or really what we see in the HW division.

[ModernTalking]

Same day weight in only work if you have people who keep their promise in come in at the agree weight = like Pacquiao

What if a fighter doesn't care to make weight = Mayweather : The fight will not happen and people will lose their money.

[Benny Leonard]

Same day weight in only work if you have people who keep their promise in come in at the agree weight = like Pacquiao

What if a fighter doesn't care to make weight = Mayweather : The fight will not happen and people will lose their money.

Didn't Floyd go to JMM before the weigh-in even occurred which would give him time to cancel the fight if he chose to?
Which he wouldn't of course considering the money he was about to make and the nice pile of cash Floyd put in a bag for him to make sure it goes through. Or so I hear.


Read it again. You will get a heavy fine and penalty if the fight has to be canceled.

I would say there would be an "option" tag I would put in the contract. I think I had that in the other thread. Basically, if it were a division fight for rankings and/or a title, it now doesn't count as such...and just becomes your normal "challenge" style fight where weight is no concern. But, it would be up to the fighter who did make weight to accept the option which in return, he could get more money from his opponent’s purse.


Plus, remember, the fight ended up taking place at WW/147 max weight limit. Which means, 141-147 is the division. Floyd would have to make 147 on the scales by say, 3 PM. And whatever weight he can gain by fight-time is on him.
Floyd says he is still around 149 pounds by fight-time. So, if true, he shouldn't have a problem.

The other thing with JMM vs. Floyd was that it wasn't for a title and it really wasn't about it being a division fight for rankings. So, not quite a good example. That is more of a "take at your own risk" type of fight. But, the point of weigh-in would allow the opponent, JMM, to know what Floyd (in this case) would be at/around for fight-time.
It would prevent the 36+ hours or whatever it is amount of time to rehydrate if you are taking off 15 or so pounds and then blowing up. Less time = less weight.

[ModernTalking]

I wouldn't take that chance because there's fighter like Mayweather that doesn't even care to make weight.

[DLT]

Same day weight in only work if you have people who keep their promise in come in at the agree weight = like Pacquiao

What if a fighter doesn't care to make weight = Mayweather : The fight will not happen and people will lose their money.

go back and look at there careers and see who has had more fights closer to there fight night weight? Floyd has probably had more than anyone in boxing? At LW he would come into the ring at 138, at SLW he would come into the ring at 143, and at WW before retirment he was 146-148. Dont act like Floyd would have any problem with these rules. He's basically fought most of his career that way anyways. He's not Pac who was fighting at SFW and coming into the ring at 145 pounds. I remember Pac fighting EM at SFW coming in at 145 at the same exact time Floyd was fighting Baldy at WW and coming in at 146 while Baldy was 165

[Benny Leonard]

I wouldn't take that chance because there's fighter like Mayweather that doesn't even care to make weight.

What happens right now if you don't make weight?

[Clegg]

I remember how you used to obsessively post about Pac's weight and how to change boxing weigh ins.

Then Floyd dragged JMM up in weight and still didn't make the agreed upon weight, then didn't do fight night weigh in, in order to hide his obvious and unfair advantage. After that you STFU about the whole thing for quite a while. I guess now you feel that enough time has gone by that you can go back to the same old BS again.

You don't give a fuck about boxer's safety, you're just another Floyd fan trying to take the moral high ground in the never-ending Floyd-Pac arguments around here. Sad.

[Benny Leonard]

I remember how you used to obsessively post about Pac's weight and how to change boxing weigh ins.

Then Floyd dragged JMM up in weight and still didn't make the agreed upon weight, then didn't do fight night weigh in, in order to hide his obvious and unfair advantage. After that you STFU about the whole thing for quite a while. I guess now you feel that enough time has gone by that you can go back to the same old BS again.

You don't give a fuck about boxer's safety, you're just another Floyd fan trying to take the moral high ground in the never-ending Floyd-Pac arguments around here. Sad.

I first brought it up with Gatti. And Gatti is one of my favorite fighters. So you don't know what you are talking about. Which is why again, I posted the video. That was brought up after the fight and again later when the report of Joey Gamache going to take Gatti to court. I wondered how that was going to change boxing. That was part of it which led into other things.

Same day weigh-ins would solve it. If Floyd can't make the same-day weigh-in, then he fights in whatever division he would be listed as.

The Topic died by the way, like most do after a while. It gets old.
And I wasn't always on posting. I was off for months at a time at different times during the year.


Now with Pac and Floyd, point still stands: Floyd and Pac could have been discussed Years ago as a possible fight because Pac would have been in his division.

Would you like to discuss that?

[Clegg]

I first brought it up with Gatti. And Gatti is one of my favorite fighters. So you don't know what you are talking about. Which is why again, I posted the video.

Same day weigh-ins would solve it. If Floyd can't make the same-day weigh-in, then he fights in whatever division he would be listed as.

The Topic died by the way, like most do after a while. It gets old.
And I wasn't always on posting. I was off for months at a time at different times during the year.


Now with Pac and Floyd, point still stands: Floyd and Pac could have been discussed Years ago as a possible fight because Pac would have been in his division.

Would you like to discuss that?

I know exactly what I'm talking about because I remember all of your ****** threads. What a coincidence, right after Floyd's behaviour didn't fit in with your obsession you dropped it until it was convenient again

And no, I've no interest in discussing Pac/Floyd with you so that you can whine about it again and write another essay. You don't care about what's best for the sport or what's best for most fighters, you care about what's best for your little mancrush. Go start some threads on how unfair Floyd-JMM was since you pretend...er, I mean...you really do care about weight issues

[Benny Leonard]

I know exactly what I'm talking about because I remember all of your ****** threads. What a coincidence, right after Floyd's behaviour didn't fit in with your obsession you dropped it until it was convenient again

And no, I've no interest in discussing Pac/Floyd with you so that you can whine about it again and write another essay. You don't care about what's best for the sport or what's best for most fighters, you care about what's best for your little mancrush. Go start some threads on how unfair Floyd-JMM was since you pretend...er, I mean...you really do care about weight issues

When did I say I accepted what Floyd did?

And I'm not even sure I was on at that time. I took time off.

JMM had the option to turn down the fight, did he not?
Was he not given a choice and also extra money if he chose to continue?

In the rules I'm going with, if Floyd did that, if JMM chose to deny the fight, and in this case we would say that Floyd can't make 147 and it was for a division ranking/and/or title...then Floyd would be fined and suspended.

But Floyd of course would know the rules that he has to follow because he would know the penalty.
What are the penalties Floyd fears with the current system?


So I have never ripped on Floyd?

I torn down his entire 147+ resume a while back, many times, until he fought Oscar. And even then, I noted Oscar was "past his prime."