Freddie Roach needs to just admit they're scared of Floyd!

[Toda Caine]

All of these arguments are going around in circles, repeating themselves. New posters arrive failing to go back a read what's being posted, ask the same question that's been answered.

The main thing is, if you're going to let the commission handle it, let them handle it. But don't contradict yourself by not letting them handle certain situations in the past and bring them up when it's only to benefit yourself. Both fighters wanted something (request/demand) that the commission COULD HAVE handled. So there shouldn't be a disagreement, instead, there should be a date set for these guys to meet.

[Doctor_Tenma]

No need to build up strawmen to argue against. I haven't said anything similar to what you have in quotes. As far as I know you just made all of that up. If you're going to respond to me then respond to what I've actually said because that's the respect I show you.

I've always maintained that Mayweather's motives were both obvious and irrelevant. You only focus on those who may have said that he's trying to clean up the sport because it's easy to cloud the issue with those people with the corny tactics that you're currently using. Deal with what I've said. Explain whya is so unreasonable about Mayweather's request and why Pacquiao is justified in refusing? I would also like to hear you explain away all of the contradictions and outright lies that Team Pacquiao has been caught in while explaining why they're refusing to agree to random blood testing.

Your asking the wrong person man.

[thatnickuh]

We're not talking about Manny's personal life. We're talking about Manny Pacquiao lying about PEDs and why he doesn't want to take tougher tests. So much so that he'd rather not fight Floyd Mayweather at all.

That's what we're talking about. Your whole post is a strange admission of sorts.

Good post.

[trainhard_187]

Mosley never failed any tests neither..

But confessed anyways using PED's..

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2007/09/28/2007-09-28_shane_mosley_admits_to_using_balco_stero.html

All im asking is facts that Pac is on PED's other then he's dodging a big payday.. Cause those are still speculations..

THATS ALL I ASK..

[Doctor_Tenma]

Because I could care less what Manny says and I'm only concered with what he does in the ring.

Hello....my favorite fighters have done the following

Ray Robinson -statutory rapist
Jack Demspey-racist IMO (refused to fight black fighters)
James Toney -Steroid abuser/*******
Jake Lamotta-Wife beater/Pimped underage girls
Mike Tyson-no comment
Naseem Hamed-*******/****ed someone up due to his ******ity and driving fast
Ray Leonard-Wife beater
Johnny Tapia-Drug addict
Edwin Valero-no comment

I mean I have countless fighters who I was a fan of throughout the years and they have done way worst than Lied to me. I honestly don't care about all that outside the ring stuff....otherwise it's hard to be a fan of any boxer.

BTW there are some truly good guys in the sport that don't fall in this category...but alot of our so-called heroes have done foul **** in their past. Who am I to judge them.

Did you suck them off too? Especially to the same extent you do Pacquiao?

[trainhard_187]

all of these arguments are going around in circles, repeating themselves. New posters arrive failing to go back a read what's being posted, ask the same question that's been answered.

The main thing is, if you're going to let the commission handle it, let them handle it. But don't contradict yourself by not letting them handle certain situations in the past and bring them up when it's only to benefit yourself. Both fighters wanted something (request/demand) that the commission could have handled. So there shouldn't be a disagreement, instead, there should be a date set for these guys to meet.

no bias and true statement.. Can we just get the two to sign the dotted line already..

[Khalid X]

Anyone who claims ODST is bull**** knows **** all

O.S.I.R.I.S is just sucking Pacquiao's balls. He has no valid points AT ALL

I didn't say OST was b.s. in this thread...I just questioned the whole "I'm cleaning up the sport" angle he is trying to run with.

[thatnickuh]

But confessed anyways using PED's..

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2007/09/28/2007-09-28_shane_mosley_admits_to_using_balco_stero.html

All im asking is facts that Pac is on PED's other then he's dodging a big payday.. Cause those are still speculations..

THATS ALL I ASK..

If Pacquiao is beating the current system, then there will be no proof as long as he refuses the stricter testing that can catch him. You can't figure that out for yourself? Do y ou honestly think that because he's never tested positive, then that guarantees that he's not using anything that's against the rules?

[IMDAZED]

I didn't say OST was b.s. in this thread...I just questioned the whole "I'm cleaning up the sport" angle he is trying to run with.

No need to build up strawmen to argue against. I haven't said anything similar to what you have in quotes. As far as I know you just made all of that up. If you're going to respond to me then respond to what I've actually said because that's the respect I show you.

I've always maintained that Mayweather's motives were both obvious and irrelevant. You only focus on those who may have said that he's trying to clean up the sport because it's easy to cloud the issue with those people with the corny tactics that you're currently using. Deal with what I've said. Explain whya is so unreasonable about Mayweather's request and why Pacquiao is justified in refusing? I would also like to hear you explain away all of the contradictions and outright lies that Team Pacquiao has been caught in while explaining why they're refusing to agree to random blood testing.

Some things are best avoided.

[Khalid X]

No need to build up strawmen to argue against. I haven't said anything similar to what you have in quotes. As far as I know you just made all of that up. If you're going to respond to me then respond to what I've actually said because that's the respect I show you.

I've always maintained that Mayweather's motives were both obvious and irrelevant. You only focus on those who may have said that he's trying to clean up the sport because it's easy to cloud the issue with those people with the corny tactics that you're currently using. Deal with what I've said. Explain whya is so unreasonable about Mayweather's request and why Pacquiao is justified in refusing? I would also like to hear you explain away all of the contradictions and outright lies that Team Pacquiao has been caught in while explaining why they're refusing to agree to random blood testing.

Did I ever say you said this? If so I don't remember as I have no idea who you are and this is the first time I have seen you post here.


But to answer your question......who gives a **** if he lies? are my feelings suppose to be hurt or something? I only care about what he does in the ring and not what comes out of his mouth.