The difference between being #1 ranked and a champion

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

case in point. baldomir the journeyman beat the "champion" so he became champion but everyone knew he was a complete bum who got lucky the current champ was a spazz. while margarito was ranked number 1 for years cause he had a great resume against top competition. too bad none of the "champions" ever gave him a shot i wonder why? mayorga, spinks, judah, baldomir, mayweather just a coincidence probably.

How did we know you would use a Floyd example. Give it a rest man.

[Pullcounter]

I see a lot of people making this misconception here that you have to beat the #1 rank guy to be ranked #1. That is not the case.

Now to be the champion you do have to beat the champion.

But, to be ranked #1 you DO NOT have to beat the #1 ranked guy.

Championships go by to be the man you have to beat the man

Rankings go by recent resumes.

Championships and rankings are different.

gonna have to agree for the #1 ranked guy in a division.

but p4p rankings are different. you gotta beat the #1 guy or he has to lose. hence, pac is still #1.

[jrosales13]

WTF are you on about?

Is that I see a lot of people saying for example that Montiel is the man at 118 cuz he beat Hasegawa who was the man at 118. But, there was no clear man at 118. Yes Hasegawa was the #1 rank guy but he was not thee champ, he was not thee kingpin. And, Montiel beating Hasegawa does not make Montiel thee #1 guy, thee kingpin.

I have no problem with people ranking Monties as #1 right now, but Moreno and Perez win their next fight they would also have a case for being ranked #1. Hell they might have a case right now. Lets not forget that Montiel should of lost to Valdez.

Oleydong has a case to be ranked ahead of Roman Gonzalez.

So again you don't have to beat the #1 rank guy to be ranked #1. And, just cuz you do beat the #1 ranked guy does not make you #1.

However, at LW JMM is the champ. To be the champ you have to beat JMM at 135.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

gonna have to agree for the #1 ranked guy in a division.

but p4p rankings are different. you gotta beat the #1 guy or he has to lose. hence, pac is still #1.

Not true........

Its not everyday when the Top 1-2 guys can even fight each other. So your're wrong buddy.

[ChampBox@PR]

I see a lot of people making this misconception here that you have to beat the #1 rank guy to be ranked #1. That is not the case.

Now to be the champion you do have to beat the champion.

But, to be ranked #1 you DO NOT have to beat the #1 ranked guy.

Championships go by to be the man you have to beat the man

Rankings go by recent resumes.

Championships and rankings are different.

[jrosales13]

gonna have to agree for the #1 ranked guy in a division.

but p4p rankings are different. you gotta beat the #1 guy or he has to lose. hence, pac is still #1.

P4P really is a matter of opinion. It is what your interpretation of what P4P is.

[Boxin']

Not true........

Its not everyday when the Top 1-2 guys can even fight each other. So your're wrong buddy.

When you duck the top guy and fight the #3 guy instead you shouldn't be awarded #1 p4p. IMO

[jrosales13]

true indeed i see where you going with it where do you floyd on your list j at 1 or 2

I actually think Floyd is the lineal champ of the WW division. I have him as the lineal champ with Pac being ranked the #1 contender.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

When you duck the top guy and fight the #3 guy instead you shouldn't be awarded #1 p4p. IMO

Im not talking about Floyd and Pac that subject is played.

Im talking in general.

Its not everyday when the 1 and 2 guys can even fight each other. So they get moved up and down based on what they do.

[Shadows]

Is that I see a lot of people saying for example that Montiel is the man at 118 cuz he beat Hasegawa who was the man at 118. But, there was no clear man at 118. Yes Hasegawa was the #1 rank guy but he was not thee champ, he was not thee kingpin. And, Montiel beating Hasegawa does not make Montiel thee #1 guy, thee kingpin.

I have no problem with people ranking Monties as #1 right now, but Moreno and Perez win their next fight they would also have a case for being ranked #1. Hell they might have a case right now. Lets not forget that Montiel should of lost to Valdez.

Oleydong has a case to be ranked ahead of Roman Gonzalez.

So again you don't have to beat the #1 rank guy to be ranked #1. And, just cuz you do beat the #1 ranked guy does not make you #1.

However, at LW JMM is the champ. To be the champ you have to beat JMM at 135.

Ah, I see.

Well, I believe the fight with Valdez wasn't at bantamweight, both came in over 118.

However, I do agree in regards to Perez and Moreno. Outside of Hasegawa, Montiel's resume at 118 is unimpressive.