I'm sick and tired of people not giving due respect to Pacman

[Spoon23]

I will answer your questions.
1. Pacman doesn't completely refuse random blood testing. He did blood testing for Hatton, Morales,Delahoya etc. He even offered blood testing right after the fight in the locker room. He doesn't want blood test close to the fight because he has lost once from morales fight 1 were the Nevada athletic committee lost his blood test and had to blood test him a day before the actual fight with morales. Plus the fact that he wasn't able to use his gloves because morales insisted they both use the winnings pillow gloves. plus the bloody cut made him lose the fight. We all know the next two fights with morales was a breeze. knowing that happened to him before he doesn't waant that to happen again. Its a stigma that can effect his mental frame of mind. He believes he is weakened it is enough to be unconfident in a big fight. Do yoiu want an 80% pac? if it will ever happen. Don't you want Pacman and mMayweather to fight in their best form? If Pac is not in his 100% mindset going into the fight don't you think its not what we fans would want? Have you even taken blood before some military men squirm just getting blood like little kids. And if you watch 24/7 mosely mayweather when mosely was taken blood. There were 3 vails full of blood not the droplet that they where talking about.
plus getting blood can pop a vain and you all know boxer needs their arms to work perfectly. Especially in training. How can you train if your arm is sore from the injection that happened. Getting a blood test will stiffen your muscles. So how can pac train? when a guy like him rellies on speed to win fights? Have you tried bending your arm back in forth after a blood test your muscles in your arms are stiff and swollen.

2.the lawsuit is a countermeasure to clear his name. Think about it, if Pac didin't file a lawsuite people will crucify him more for not fighting back. He would look guilty if he doesn't fight back with the mayweather's allegation. It was a the right thing to do. If he didn't do that he would look guilty.

3. 50 million dollars can go either ways fault. We can say Floyd is a coward not accepting the fight for a measly blood test that the nsac is not implementing. And we all know Floyd is "money Mayweather right." so why make an excuse when it's not in the rules to have olympic blood test? so we can say as well Floyd ducked pac buy insisting an olympic blood test that he never asked from any fighter in his life and thus refused to get a cool 50 million. So your argument can go either way, especially floyd is the one who likes money more than pac! We all know pac vs. mayweather is the super fight can't be compared to mosely maywaeather. SO there he ducked.

4. First of all the fight of mayweather pacman is for the welterweight division. They should fight not higher than 147lbs in the first place right? If mayweather go over 147 then thats just cheating so its only mute and academic that he doesn't cross that line. The fine is their so he wouldn't cheat. remember when he fought marquez he didn't follow the contract of 144lbs and reached 146lbs. He already has a history of cheating a smaller man so it is just right for team pac to ask for that penalty if he crosses over 147. Delahoya Pacquiao fight, Pacquiao last fight before DLH was David diaz @ 135lbs While DLH was @ 154 vs mayweather. It is only reasonable that they meet halfway after all it won't be saleable and unfair for pacman to go all the way to 154 coming from 135. Dlh would look ****** andl ook like a big bully for fighting a light weight. That is why they met half way which is reasonable. And if you watch Dlh pacquiao again they where saying before the fight DLH will win and the odds where against Pac but we all new who won. Pac was truelly an underdog that time.

About cotto going down to 145. Cotto against margarito in the weigh-in he was 146lbs. So knowing that pacman came from 140 fighting Hatton and had to move up again what's a measly 1 lb to make the fight happen. So if you think it was 2 pounds cotto had to lose it was only 1lb coz his last fight before pac was 146lbs against margarito. Their you go I hope that is intelligent enough for you.

[V.WEBB]

[Spoon23]

[QUOTE=JK1700;8356700]

First of all Manny Pacquiao is a 7 division champ, a fighter of the decade voted by boxing afficionados. A once in a lifetime fighter.

What makes him greater than floyd here are the list.

1. Pacman is a 7 division champ. For floyd to match that he must go to middle weight to get where pac is at.

Floyd is a Six time world champion in 5 different weight classes but he gets no credit for it. Being a 7 time world champion is great but its de-valued if you cherry pick fighters coming off devastating losses and fight them at a catchweight for their belts. Love him or hate him you can't discredit Mayweather, He fought and dominated everyone at 130 and that has continued all the way up to 154. Mayweather fought fighters when they were on top at the offcial weight classes. Pacquiao did not do this

Here are my main reasons for disliking Pacquiao...

1. He refuses the random blood and urine tests and claims "Mayweather is a chicken, He is ducking me" I dont know how he works that out. He must be completely ****** if he really thinks that. Just take the test if you really want the fight. (He doesnt want the fight)

2. He filed a lawsuit claiming Mayweather and ODLH "hurt his feeling's" and is suing them for it even though they never accused him of anything. They just are all wondering much like myself why a clean athlete would turn down a $50 million dollar blood test. As for his feeling's being hurt, Hmm. Am I mistaken or is this not the same guy who cheated on his wife and got a ********** pregant? Where was Pacquiao's dignity and feeling's when THAT happened?

3. He then say's Mayweather is a disgrace for trash talking yet calls Floyd a "coward" when it's Pacquiao who turned down the fight. Not Mayweather. As we all know Floyd hasnt said anything over the top about Pacquiao, The only thing's I can remember is him saying (I never knew a guy who didnt want to take a $50 million dollar drugs test. Or saying that Pacquiao got outboxed by Juan Manuel Marquez and Erik Morales and was also knocked out twice. (Which is all true). Mayweather hasnt talked anything bad about Pacquiao, If he is annoyed with people accusing him of doing drugs then just take the tests. And the doubt will be gone (If he passes them)

4. He (Or Roach) puts massive weight penalties on his opponents to give him an advantage in fights. Miguel Cotto was made to come in at 145lbs for a defence of his 147lb title (To me this was totally unfair especially since Cotto was the champion). Pacquiao demanded that Erik Morales be heavily fined if he weighed in more than 130lbs when Morales was just coming off a one sided loss at the hands of Zahir Raheem at 135lbs. It was clear that Morales was past it but Pacquiao wants every advantage he can get.

Hopefully you can intelligently reply to my post. But I doubt you will

I will answer your questions.
1. Pacman doesn't completely refuse random blood testing. He did blood testing for Hatton, Morales,Delahoya etc. He even offered wants blood testing right after the fight in the locker room. He doesn't want blood test close to the fight because he has lost once from morales fight 1 were the Nevada athletic committee lost his blood test and had to blood test him a day before the actual fight with morales. Plus the fact that he wasn't able to use his gloves because morales insisted they both use the winnings pillow gloves. plus the bloody cut made him lose the fight. We all know the next two fights with morales was a breeze. knowing that happened to him before he doesn't waant that to happen again. Its a stigma that can effect his mental frame of mind. He believes he is weakened it is enough to be unconfident in a big fight. Do yoiu want an 80% pac? if it will ever happen. Don't you want Pacman and mMayweather to fight in their best form? If Pac is not in his 100% mindset going into the fight don't you think its not what we fans would want? Have you even taken blood before some military men squirm just getting blood like little kids. And if you watch 24/7 mosely mayweather when mosely was taken blood. There were 3 vails full of blood not the droplet that they where talking about.
plus getting blood can pop a vain and you all know boxer needs their arms to work perfectly. Especially in training. How can you train if your arm is sore from the injection that happened. Getting a blood test will stiffen your muscles. So how can pac train? when a guy like him rellies on speed to win fights? Have you tried bending your arm back in forth after a blood test your muscles in your arms are stiff and swollen.

2.the lawsuit is a countermeasure to clear his name. Think about it, if Pac didin't file a lawsuite people will crucify him more for not fighting back. He would look guilty if he doesn't fight back with the mayweather's allegation. It was a the right thing to do. If he didn't do that he would look guilty.

3. 50 million dollars can go either ways fault. We can say Floyd is a coward not accepting the fight for a measly blood test that the nsac is not implementing. And we all know Floyd is "money Mayweather right." so why make an excuse when it's not in the rules to have olympic blood test? so we can say as well Floyd ducked pac buy insisting an olympic blood test that he never asked from any fighter in his life and thus refused to get a cool 50 million. So your argument can go either way, especially floyd is the one who likes money more than pac! We all know pac vs. mayweather is the super fight can't be compared to mosely maywaeather. SO there he ducked.

4. First of all the fight of mayweather pacman is for the welterweight division. They should fight not higher than 147lbs in the first place right? If mayweather go over 147 then thats just cheating so its only mute and academic that he doesn't cross that line. The fine is their so he wouldn't cheat. remember when he fought marquez he didn't follow the contract of 144lbs and reached 146lbs. He already has a history of cheating a smaller man so it is just right for team pac to ask for that penalty if he crosses over 147. Delahoya Pacquiao fight, Pacquiao last fight before DLH was David diaz @ 135lbs While DLH was @ 154 vs mayweather. It is only reasonable that they meet halfway after all it won't be saleable and unfair for pacman to go all the way to 154 coming from 135. Dlh would look ****** andl ook like a big bully for fighting a light weight. That is why they met half way which is reasonable. And if you watch Dlh pacquiao again they where saying before the fight DLH will win and the odds where against Pac but we all new who won. Pac was truelly an underdog that time.

About cotto going down to 145. Cotto against margarito in the weigh-in he was 146lbs. So knowing that pacman came from 140 fighting Hatton and had to move up again what's a measly 1 lb to make the fight happen. So if you think it was 2 pounds cotto had to lose it was only 1lb coz his last fight before pac was 146lbs against clottey. Their you go I hope that is intelligent enough for you.

[BIGBOXINGFAN]

Stop crying. Floyd gets flamed on this site by dumb ass *******s all day everyday.
Manny should take the test if he wants my respect.

[JK1700]

I will answer your questions.
1. Pacman doesn't completely refuse random blood testing. He did blood testing for Hatton, Morales,Delahoya etc. He even offered wants blood testing right after the fight in the locker room. He doesn't want blood test close to the fight because he has lost once from morales fight 1 were the Nevada athletic committee lost his blood test and had to blood test him a day before the actual fight with morales. Plus the fact that he wasn't able to use his gloves because morales insisted they both use the winnings pillow gloves. plus the bloody cut made him lose the fight. We all know the next two fights with morales was a breeze. knowing that happened to him before he doesn't waant that to happen again. Its a stigma that can effect his mental frame of mind. He believes he is weakened it is enough to be unconfident in a big fight. Do yoiu want an 80% pac? if it will ever happen. Don't you want Pacman and mMayweather to fight in their best form? If Pac is not in his 100% mindset going into the fight don't you think its not what we fans would want? Have you even taken blood before some military men squirm just getting blood like little kids. And if you watch 24/7 mosely mayweather when mosely was taken blood. There were 3 vails full of blood not the droplet that they where talking about.
plus getting blood can pop a vain and you all know boxer needs their arms to work perfectly. Especially in training. How can you train if your arm is sore from the injection that happened. Getting a blood test will stiffen your muscles. So how can pac train? when a guy like him rellies on speed to win fights? Have you tried bending your arm back in forth after a blood test your muscles in your arms are stiff and swollen.

2.the lawsuit is a countermeasure to clear his name. Think about it, if Pac didin't file a lawsuite people will crucify him more for not fighting back. He would look guilty if he doesn't fight back with the mayweather's allegation. It was a the right thing to do. If he didn't do that he would look guilty.

3. 50 million dollars can go either ways fault. We can say Floyd is a coward not accepting the fight for a measly blood test that the nsac is not implementing. And we all know Floyd is "money Mayweather right." so why make an excuse when it's not in the rules to have olympic blood test? so we can say as well Floyd ducked pac buy insisting an olympic blood test that he never asked from any fighter in his life and thus refused to get a cool 50 million. So your argument can go either way, especially floyd is the one who likes money more than pac! We all know pac vs. mayweather is the super fight can't be compared to mosely maywaeather. SO there he ducked.

4. First of all the fight of mayweather pacman is for the welterweight division. They should fight not higher than 147lbs in the first place right? If mayweather go over 147 then thats just cheating so its only mute and academic that he doesn't cross that line. The fine is their so he wouldn't cheat. remember when he fought marquez he didn't follow the contract of 144lbs and reached 146lbs. He already has a history of cheating a smaller man so it is just right for team pac to ask for that penalty if he crosses over 147. Delahoya Pacquiao fight, Pacquiao last fight before DLH was David diaz @ 135lbs While DLH was @ 154 vs mayweather. It is only reasonable that they meet halfway after all it won't be saleable and unfair for pacman to go all the way to 154 coming from 135. Dlh would look ****** andl ook like a big bully for fighting a light weight. That is why they met half way which is reasonable. And if you watch Dlh pacquiao again they where saying before the fight DLH will win and the odds where against Pac but we all new who won. Pac was truelly an underdog that time.

About cotto going down to 145. Cotto against margarito in the weigh-in he was 146lbs. So knowing that pacman came from 140 fighting Hatton and had to move up again what's a measly 1 lb to make the fight happen. So if you think it was 2 pounds cotto had to lose it was only 1lb coz his last fight before pac was 146lbs against margarito. Their you go I hope that is intelligent enough for you.

1. I have no doubt that he has taken tests in the past, That is clear. What I do object to is his refusal of the random blood and urine tests. The blood tests take a tablespoon of blood out of your body, Mosley had no problem doing it. I don't see why Pacquiao would either, As you pointed out Pacquiao had his blood taken before the Hatton and Clottey fights meaning that he has no problems having his blood taken, only on a RANDOM date which seems suspiscous to me. Also I have to object to you saying he only lost to Morales because of the cut, Morales just totally outboxed him. Obviously the cut didnt help but that happens in boxing. You can't say "I lost because I got cut" no he lost because he allowed himself to get hit so much that he got cut. Morales was also outboxing Pacquiao for parts of the rematch before his legs gave out on him. You make it seem like the 2nd Morales fight was a cakewalk for Pacquiao. Which is not the case at all, Morales was holding his own before his drained body gave out on him.

2. Team Mayweather never made any allegations towards Pacquiao. The only "allegation's" are really assumptions. Most people think that when a guy refuses a $60 million dollar drug tests that something is up. I mean you wouldnt just do that for no reason. People have a right to be suspiscious and if Pacquiao wants to change that he should take the test. He doesnt have a leg to stand on by taking this to court. And even if he did he's trying to sue Oscar De La Hoya who has about 10 times as much cash as he does. Pacquiao's lawsuit is ****** and it makes him even less credible. He had no reason to take it to court. The doubts would just go away if he took the test. Why spend millions of dollars to try and remove doubt when you could do it for free? It makes no sense

3. Requesting olympic blood and urine tests does not make anyone a coward. Mayweather just wants an even playing field, Mosley took the tests. I don't see why Pacquiao can't. Pacquiao claims to be the "peoples champ" yet he wont take a random drug test? Im sure his fans would want him to take the test and prove he is clean and fight Mayweather aswell. Like you said Floyd is "Money Mayweather" he doesnt care too much about whether he fights Pacquiao or not. Floyd is such a big draw in the sport that he will make $30 million plus whoever he fights. Pacquiao says over and over he wants to fight Mayweather and knock him out but he won't take a drugs test and receive millions of dollars win or lose? Something is up there. If he REALLY wanted Mayweather wouldnt he just agree to his demands?

4. Your logic about Mayweather "always fighting smaller men" is also heavily flawed. As far as I can remember the only smaller men he fought were Hatton and Marquez. And Hatton is naturally bigger even if he is one inch shorter. Aside from that Floyd has fought much bigger opponents such as Oscar at 154, Diego Corrales and Genaro Hernandez at 130 and Carlos Baldomir and Shane Mosley at Welterweight. Pacquiao outweighs almost all of his opponents come fight night and they are usually subjected to weight penalties also. This proves my logic that Mayweather fights people at the official weight classes. If you just go back and do your homework you will see....

Carlos Baldomir - Undisputed Welterweight champion/Hadnt lost in 9 years
Shane Mosley - Rated as the #1 Welterweight
Genaro Hernandez - The man to beat at 130

Compare that with the guy's that Pacquiao has fought...
Cotto, Hatton, De La Hoya, Morales - All coming off losses and/or on weight penalties. Floyd fought the best fighters at the official weight classes. Pacquiao did not do this. Im sorry but your logic is very flawed and im not suprised that you didnt address my point about Pacquiao cheating on his wife and kids.

[Spoon23]

1. I have no doubt that he has taken tests in the past, That is clear. What I do object to is his refusal of the random blood and urine tests. The blood tests take a tablespoon of blood out of your body, Mosley had no problem doing it. I don't see why Pacquiao would either, As you pointed out Pacquiao had his blood taken before the Hatton and Clottey fights meaning that he has no problems having his blood taken, only on a RANDOM date which seems suspiscous to me. Also I have to object to you saying he only lost to Morales because of the cut, Morales just totally outboxed him. Obviously the cut didnt help but that happens in boxing. You can't say "I lost because I got cut" no he lost because he allowed himself to get hit so much that he got cut. Morales was also outboxing Pacquiao for parts of the rematch before his legs gave out on him. You make it seem like the 2nd Morales fight was a cakewalk for Pacquiao. Which is not the case at all, Morales was holding his own before his drained body gave out on him.

2. Team Mayweather never made any allegations towards Pacquiao. The only "allegation's" are really assumptions. Most people think that when a guy refuses a $60 million dollar drug tests that something is up. I mean you wouldnt just do that for no reason. People have a right to be suspiscious and if Pacquiao wants to change that he should take the test. He doesnt have a leg to stand on by taking this to court. And even if he did he's trying to sue Oscar De La Hoya who has about 10 times as much cash as he does. Pacquiao's lawsuit is ****** and it makes him even less credible. He had no reason to take it to court. The doubts would just go away if he took the test. Why spend millions of dollars to try and remove doubt when you could do it for free? It makes no sense

3. Requesting olympic blood and urine tests does not make anyone a coward. Mayweather just wants an even playing field, Mosley took the tests. I don't see why Pacquiao can't. Pacquiao claims to be the "peoples champ" yet he wont take a random drug test? Im sure his fans would want him to take the test and prove he is clean and fight Mayweather aswell. Like you said Floyd is "Money Mayweather" he doesnt care too much about whether he fights Pacquiao or not. Floyd is such a big draw in the sport that he will make $30 million plus whoever he fights. Pacquiao says over and over he wants to fight Mayweather and knock him out but he won't take a drugs test and receive millions of dollars win or lose? Something is up there. If he REALLY wanted Mayweather wouldnt he just agree to his demands?

4. Your logic about Mayweather "always fighting smaller men" is also heavily flawed. As far as I can remember the only smaller men he fought were Hatton and Marquez. And Hatton is naturally bigger even if he is one inch shorter. Aside from that Floyd has fought much bigger opponents such as Oscar at 154, Diego Corrales and Genaro Hernandez at 130 and Carlos Baldomir and Shane Mosley at Welterweight. Pacquiao outweighs almost all of his opponents come fight night and they are usually subjected to weight penalties also. This proves my logic that Mayweather fights people at the official weight classes. If you just go back and do your homework you will see....

Carlos Baldomir - Undisputed Welterweight champion/Hadnt lost in 9 years
Shane Mosley - Rated as the #1 Welterweight
Genaro Hernandez - The man to beat at 130

Compare that with the guy's that Pacquiao has fought...
Cotto, Hatton, De La Hoya, Morales - All coming off losses and/or on weight penalties. Floyd fought the best fighters at the official weight classes. Pacquiao did not do this. Im sorry but your logic is very flawed and im not suprised that you didnt address my point about Pacquiao cheating on his wife and kids.

1. It wasn't a table spoon of blood. Watch the 24/7 again of mayweatyher mosely it was more than a table spoon 3 vials to be exact. Din't you get my point about the after effect of muscle tension in your arm after a blood test. How do you work that out when pac rellies on rigorous training. It will defintely slow his work training. Plus Mosely gassed out if you can recall showed his age. Could be because of to much blood testing. If you watch the last part of the 24/7 he had to give blood before going to vegas. Actually I don't blame floyd for letting mosely take the test coz he is a admitted user. Which brings me to the thought that why he look so good in the margarito fight. Din't gas out what so ever, while in the mayweather fight his mouth was open in the 5th round already. Showed his age really. I believe mosely was using peds during the margarito fight. He really looked strongewr and had lots of stamina. But to Pac, never had a history. Tremendous work ethic and very discipliined athlete. You should talk to boxers in the wildcard to see how amazing the guy is in training.

2. Come fight night pacman weighs not morte than 149lbs in any given fighht. His natural walking weight is 150. Floyd reaches 160lbs. Cotto reaches the same. Clottey even reached 170lbs. Do your research. It is just a fact pac is a smaller man than floyd.

[Spoon23]

1. It wasn't a table spoon of blood. Watch the 24/7 again of mayweatyher mosely it was more than a table spoon 3 vials to be exact. Din't you get my point about the after effect of muscle tension in your arm after a blood test. How do you work that out when pac rellies on rigorous training. It will defintely slow his work training. Plus Mosely gassed out if you can recall showed his age. Could be because of to much blood testing. If you watch the last part of the 24/7 he had to give blood before going to vegas. Actually I don't blame floyd for letting mosely take the test coz he is a admitted user. Which brings me to the thought that why he look so good in the margarito fight. Din't gas out what so ever, while in the mayweather fight his mouth was open in the 5th round already. Showed his age really. I believe mosely was using peds during the margarito fight. He really looked strongewr and had lots of stamina. But to Pac, never had a history. Tremendous work ethic and very discipliined athlete. You should talk to boxers in the wildcard to see how amazing the guy is in training.

2. Come fight night pacman weighs not morte than 149lbs in any given fighht. His natural walking weight is 150. Floyd reaches 160lbs. Cotto reaches the same. Clottey even reached 170lbs. Do your research. It is just a fact pac is a smaller man than floyd.

Just to add. You saying Mosely had no problem taking the test?? He lost right? so it did affect him theoretically lol

[Spoon23]

1. I have no doubt that he has taken tests in the past, That is clear. What I do object to is his refusal of the random blood and urine tests. The blood tests take a tablespoon of blood out of your body, Mosley had no problem doing it. I don't see why Pacquiao would either, As you pointed out Pacquiao had his blood taken before the Hatton and Clottey fights meaning that he has no problems having his blood taken, only on a RANDOM date which seems suspiscous to me. Also I have to object to you saying he only lost to Morales because of the cut, Morales just totally outboxed him. Obviously the cut didnt help but that happens in boxing. You can't say "I lost because I got cut" no he lost because he allowed himself to get hit so much that he got cut. Morales was also outboxing Pacquiao for parts of the rematch before his legs gave out on him. You make it seem like the 2nd Morales fight was a cakewalk for Pacquiao. Which is not the case at all, Morales was holding his own before his drained body gave out on him.

2. Team Mayweather never made any allegations towards Pacquiao. The only "allegation's" are really assumptions. Most people think that when a guy refuses a $60 million dollar drug tests that something is up. I mean you wouldnt just do that for no reason. People have a right to be suspiscious and if Pacquiao wants to change that he should take the test. He doesnt have a leg to stand on by taking this to court. And even if he did he's trying to sue Oscar De La Hoya who has about 10 times as much cash as he does. Pacquiao's lawsuit is ****** and it makes him even less credible. He had no reason to take it to court. The doubts would just go away if he took the test. Why spend millions of dollars to try and remove doubt when you could do it for free? It makes no sense

3. Requesting olympic blood and urine tests does not make anyone a coward. Mayweather just wants an even playing field, Mosley took the tests. I don't see why Pacquiao can't. Pacquiao claims to be the "peoples champ" yet he wont take a random drug test? Im sure his fans would want him to take the test and prove he is clean and fight Mayweather aswell. Like you said Floyd is "Money Mayweather" he doesnt care too much about whether he fights Pacquiao or not. Floyd is such a big draw in the sport that he will make $30 million plus whoever he fights. Pacquiao says over and over he wants to fight Mayweather and knock him out but he won't take a drugs test and receive millions of dollars win or lose? Something is up there. If he REALLY wanted Mayweather wouldnt he just agree to his demands?

4. Your logic about Mayweather "always fighting smaller men" is also heavily flawed. As far as I can remember the only smaller men he fought were Hatton and Marquez. And Hatton is naturally bigger even if he is one inch shorter. Aside from that Floyd has fought much bigger opponents such as Oscar at 154, Diego Corrales and Genaro Hernandez at 130 and Carlos Baldomir and Shane Mosley at Welterweight. Pacquiao outweighs almost all of his opponents come fight night and they are usually subjected to weight penalties also. This proves my logic that Mayweather fights people at the official weight classes. If you just go back and do your homework you will see....

Carlos Baldomir - Undisputed Welterweight champion/Hadnt lost in 9 years
Shane Mosley - Rated as the #1 Welterweight
Genaro Hernandez - The man to beat at 130

Compare that with the guy's that Pacquiao has fought...
Cotto, Hatton, De La Hoya, Morales - All coming off losses and/or on weight penalties. Floyd fought the best fighters at the official weight classes. Pacquiao did not do this. Im sorry but your logic is very flawed and im not suprised that you didnt address my point about Pacquiao cheating on his wife and kids.

Just to add again. If someone told you you had Aids how would you feel without any proof? Multiply that to a thousand people telling you you have aids even without proof how would you feel? Your being crucifed without any proof. Best bet is to protect yourself right?

And didn't you get what I said that a fighters mindset before a fight is important. It has to be 100% at all times. If you doubt yourself entering a fight you can die in there. It is a deadly sport. Fighting is also mental as well as physical. Drawing blood near a fight is enough to subconsiously hurt you mental frame of mind to some people pac can be one of those. he will be going in the fight mentally umprepared therefore not @ his best. Do you want an 80% Pac fighting a 100% mayweather? Some people have fobias with needles, blood, spiders etc.. So you can't say just because your not, there is no one who is mentally affected by that.

[madsweeney]

Compare that with the guy's that Pacquiao has fought...
Cotto, Hatton, De La Hoya, Morales - All coming off losses and/or on weight penalties. Floyd fought the best fighters at the official weight classes. Pacquiao did not do this. Im sorry but your logic is very flawed and im not suprised that you didnt address my point about Pacquiao cheating on his wife and kids.

None of those fighters mentioned were coming off losses only one was catchweight.

Floyd fought Hatton and Morales above their best weight.

Lets look at FLoyd's last four

Mosley - 38, 1 1/2 year layoff and it showed in the ring.
Marquez - 3 weight classes above his best, 37 years old.
DLH - 6+ years past prime and gave Floyd some trouble
Hatton - Came off of 2 tough wins, above his best weight class.

I only do this to point out that almost any fighter's resume can be nit picked.




I see, by far, more Pac fans giving Mayweather credit for his skills (hate on his mouth/attitude) than Mayweather fans do for Pac's skills.

[the gent]

see you're entire thread is bull****..how bout giving floyd some damn credit and maybe floyd fans wont discredit manny..both are atg's and yoyu should be thankful you get to witness them both

So in order for you to agree or not discredit Manny's accomplishments, they have to give Floyd more credit, or speak nice about him? That is just "their" opinion.

I do agree we have been lucky to witness two fighters who are great fighters. Just because one has a style that the other doesn't and vise versa what difference does it make.

these two need to fight because this it what Boxing as a sport is all about.

..and please do not mention OSDT.