FAO: PED experts.

[led]

ME TOO

It's not my head getting hit so I just want to see them sign. At this point, if Floyd won't sign no matter what unless Manny agrees to USADA's rules of how they test, or WADA, and Manny only needs Nevada/Boxing to demand it of him and he'll take it...for the Love of God...tell Nevada/Boxing to just demand it of both fighters and let them {the fighters} pay for it considering they are making millions and Floyd and Shane already set the example...as well as some fighters at SMW I hear...yes..no?

However, if I was an athlete, specifically in Floyd's position with his legacy on the line...I can see why he would want to make sure he is on an "even playing field" with having the help of the best testing available right now to at least help catch and/or deter a possible user.


The only reason Nevada doesn't do it is because of Money. These two have the money to pay for it. Now if anyone wants to say..."But why should they have to do it but not everyone else?"
Well...not everyone in this country pays the same amount of taxes either. When you make more you give more because you tend to be entitled to more doors opening up...and even getting away with more.

Just the way it is.


And for Conte; didn't Conte disagree with Floyd's giving in to allowing a 14 day cut-off?
Saying that 5-7 days would be max.

Same interview I think we are talking about.

hehehehe see the bigotry or either ******ity of floyd's team?

he wants manny to be clean come fight game. but he is giving him time to cheat.

i wish some ***** peds accuser reply here. come on defend him!

[Prime 407]

[QUOTE=Benny Leonard;8327690]Steroid detection time:


http://www.steroid.com/detect.php


TESTOSTERONE SUSPENSION = 1-3 DAYS DETECTION TIME

What benefit is there to running testosterone for 3 ***n days man, ask anyone with half a clue and they'll tell you it needs to be built up in your system over 4 weeks before you start seeing any benefit.

[flour]

ME TOO

It's not my head getting hit so I just want to see them sign. At this point, if Floyd won't sign no matter what unless Manny agrees to USADA's rules of how they test, or WADA, and Manny only needs Nevada/Boxing to demand it of him and he'll take it...for the Love of God...tell Nevada/Boxing to just demand it of both fighters and let them {the fighters} pay for it considering they are making millions and Floyd and Shane already set the example...as well as some fighters at SMW I hear...yes..no?

However, if I was an athlete, specifically in Floyd's position with his legacy on the line...I can see why he would want to make sure he is on an "even playing field" with having the help of the best testing available right now to at least help catch and/or deter a possible user.


The only reason Nevada doesn't do it is because of Money. These two have the money to pay for it. Now if anyone wants to say..."But why should they have to do it but not everyone else?"
Well...not everyone in this country pays the same amount of taxes either. When you make more you give more because you tend to be entitled to more doors opening up...and even getting away with more.

Just the way it is.


And for Conte; didn't Conte disagree with Floyd's giving in to allowing a 14 day cut-off?
Saying that 5-7 days would be max.

Same interview I think we are talking about.

if youre referring to the victor conte quote then yes but he didnt really say anything about cutoff dates ... he mainly touch upon the fact that blood testing is valid but not because of what everyone thinks or wat mainly *****s think- it's an all PED detecting test

he mainly iterated that blood testing can be a way IF USED RANDOMLY to indirectly show the use of EPO by detecting a 50% rise of hemocratic or redbloodcell level when compared to the baseline blood sample regarded as "clean" of the tested athlete

its also the only way to catch blood dopers but thats got nothing to do with pac and peds

u saw the quote, he said HGH is pretty much useless to test 4

other than that he just stressed the fact that this blood test needs to be random because in his experience, the athletes he supplied peds to exploited a "loophole" where they r given leeway to miss 2 test out of a year for watever personal reason(sickness, death of the family, etc) and tats an opportunity to flush the peds out of your system, i dont think this will happen between may and manny

i think his opinions are valid when u look at blood testing at the olympic level,first theyre tested only a couple of times during the year.. so its like 1-3 maybe 6? blood test for a whole 12 months, in the context of that timeline, an announce testing couple with the fact they were given opportunities to pass up test gave them time to flush out the peds for that day and then go back and be on it for the rest of the year, this is alot of time to fully take advantage and reap the benefits of PEDS and still beat the drug testers, you can even be on a 6 month cycle of ped usage and be clean for the rest of 6.. and only use your 2 excused drugtesting absences when ur on it... it really gives athletes flexibility to cheat, u guess conte just want them to barge in on an athlete unannounce and not give them a day notice where they can come up with an excuse not to take the test
but in a 9 week window of time testing, thats basically how long may and pac will train.. there's really no need to stress randomization, especially with the introduction of an everyday urine test
, even if the blood test was announce even of it being random in the timeline of 9 weeks, there's no way you can fully take advantage of the EPO mircera unless you use it for the whole 9 weeks

here's a scenario..supposed u know u will be tested at the beginning of training, the way to beat that then is to use mircera epo a day later,

now..if they announce they will do a blood test 38 days later, youre basically screwed...there's no way around it

isuppose then... you wait and use it 1 day after the 2nd test, by that time,youre already 60% into training... and its 23 days away from the fight, basically you will not reap any benefits from it during training at all to give u .. it might help ur endurance on fight night though


and you will definitely be detected for 3 weeks right after the fight if you ever used it

basically the scenario i posted is wat pac first proposed, blood test beginning of training, blood test 30 days b4 the fight and blood test right after the fight.. its PED PROOF

the only thing i can discern from his comments is tht they were probably using some peds that have a 24 hour detection time and those are usually anabolic steroids that urine detect or THE CLEAR.. which urine can NOW detect

but if victor knew the fact that there's unlimited everyday urine testing, then he knows there's no reason to stress randomization of blood testing because an everyday urine test is basically unbeatable

i think he also said something about PEDS having to be out of your system completely by fighttime to have maximum efficiency in order for it to work to your advantage

[flour]

hehehehe see the bigotry or either ******ity of floyd's team?

he wants manny to be clean come fight game. but he is giving him time to cheat.

i wish some ***** peds accuser reply here. come on defend him!

forget the *****s bro, i saw you posted that article by ryan dunn, you should make a thread for that and ask the mods to sticky it, its good valuable info

post that on every boxing forum and make them sticky it if u got time.. spread da truth!

[Benny Leonard]

[QUOTE=mesher;8328597]

Steroid detection time:


http://www.steroid.com/detect.php


TESTOSTERONE SUSPENSION = 1-3 DAYS DETECTION TIME

What benefit is there to running testosterone for 3 ***n days man, ask anyone with half a clue and they'll tell you it needs to be built up in your system over 4 weeks before you start seeing any benefit.

Read the article I put up. You wouldn't run it for 3 days. It is out of your system within 1-3 days and it doesn't take long at all to start working. Not for this specific testosterone that is based in water, not oil. Oil slows things down so it lasts in your system longer so you don't have to inject every single day like you do with this one. This one is in and out of your system quick.

Oils need to build up, not water based steroids. Just like Winstrol can do wonders for your body in a matter of weeks. Even 2 weeks you'll see an improvement because it works fast. Winstrol is water based.
HCG {not a steroid but helps to boost natural levels back up} is also water based and has to be injected every day. Not sure on detection time on that.

Not only that, but remember...when there is an "off-season"...this is good too if you don't fear testing year round and unannounced.

Now for TS...he covered why it wouldn't work with this:

undetectable in infinite urine samples

That's what USADA can do. That's also what Pac agreed to so that's a positive.

However, I did wonder if you could somehow make that undetectable given it was created long ago. A Steroid based in water that is undetectable.

[flour]

i hope the mods sticky this thread
this is about as good as a thread can be oh and lock the *****s out of it, they usually trash the thread up with their bs

[Benny Leonard]

if youre referring to the victor conte quote then yes but he didnt really say anything about cutoff dates ... he mainly touch upon the fact that blood testing is valid but not because of what everyone thinks or wat mainly *****s think- it's an all PED detecting test

he mainly iterated that blood testing can be a way IF USED RANDOMLY to indirectly show the use of EPO by detecting a 50% rise of hemocratic or redbloodcell level when compared to the baseline blood sample regarded as "clean" of the tested athlete

its also the only way to catch blood dopers but thats got nothing to do with pac and peds

u saw the quote, he said HGH is pretty much useless to test 4

other than that he just stressed the fact that this blood test needs to be random because in his experience, the athletes he supplied peds to exploited a "loophole" where they r given leeway to miss 2 test out of a year for watever personal reason(sickness, death of the family, etc) and tats an opportunity to flush the peds out of your system, i dont think this will happen between may and manny

i think his opinions are valid when u look at blood testing at the olympic level,first theyre tested only a couple of times during the year.. so its like 1-3 maybe 6? blood test for a whole 12 months, in the context of that timeline, an announce testing couple with the fact they were given opportunities to pass up test gave them time to flush out the peds for that day and then go back and be on it for the rest of the year, this is alot of time to fully take advantage and reap the benefits of PEDS and still beat the drug testers, you can even be on a 6 month cycle of ped usage and be clean for the rest of 6.. and only use your 2 excused drugtesting absences when ur on it... it really gives athletes flexibility to cheat, u guess conte just want them to barge in on an athlete unannounce and not give them a day notice where they can come up with an excuse not to take the test
but in a 9 week window of time testing, thats basically how long may and pac will train.. there's really no need to stress randomization, especially with the introduction of an everyday urine test
, even if the blood test was announce even of it being random in the timeline of 9 weeks, there's no way you can fully take advantage of the EPO mircera unless you use it for the whole 9 weeks

here's a scenario..supposed u know u will be tested at the beginning of training, the way to beat that then is to use mircera epo a day later,

now..if they announce they will do a blood test 38 days later, youre basically screwed...there's no way around it

isuppose then... you wait and use it 1 day after the 2nd test, by that time,youre already 60% into training... and its 23 days away from the fight, basically you will not reap any benefits from it during training at all to give u .. it might help ur endurance on fight night though


and you will definitely be detected for 3 weeks right after the fight if you ever used it

basically the scenario i posted is wat pac first proposed, blood test beginning of training, blood test 30 days b4 the fight and blood test right after the fight.. its PED PROOF

the only thing i can discern from his comments is tht they were probably using some peds that have a 24 hour detection time and those are usually anabolic steroids that urine detect or THE CLEAR.. which urine can NOW detect

but if victor knew the fact that there's unlimited everyday urine testing, then he knows there's no reason to stress randomization of blood testing because an everyday urine test is basically unbeatable

i think he also said something about PEDS having to be out of your system completely by fighttime to have maximum efficiency in order for it to work to your advantage

Something I was a little confused on. I thought Urine tests all the way through should be OK.

I wonder what USADA's reason(s) are as to why they need to take blood. Simply storage or to catch certain drugs they have on their list that require blood. Don't know.

Pac said 24 day cut-off for blood and urine all the way through...every day if need be...with blood right after the fight. Somebody needs to ask USADA what exactly is wrong with that to be clear.


Yes, he did say PEDs have to be out of your system by competition.

Eh...they need to just figure this damn thing out and make the fight already.

[trickshot]

they say its not detectible at all.....dont know all the benifits..im not an expert

well then i kindly suggest you S T F U

[Ryannn]

you have a point yes, thats why the WADA has come up with the passport program in 2010 which is basically doing everything youre saying

on principle i can agree with you it's the right thing to be implemented but when it comes to logistic and financial portion that's up to them to figure out, it will cost alot of money and questions like who will finance it will definitely come into question so i wont chatter on that too much, if it happens then its good for boxing

but when it comes to manny v.s floyd, i definitely think the bloodtesting shouldnt come at the expense of the fight, as u may have already know, blood can only detect HGH and the epo mircera and urine cant besides that theyre practically the same,
i know from research HGH is pretty much useless, even victor conte said it and i quote him:
..."One, I think that increasing hematocrit levels, whether it’s by traditional blood-doping or the use of EPO, is of greater benefit to a boxer than the use of growth-hormone," he explained. "So growth-hormone is more of an anti-catobolic agent that may help to accelerate the healing of the tissue repair process. But growth-hormone is not anabolic as an anabolic steroid. It’s an anti-catabolic agent and I believe that you don’t get a very big **** for your buck. I’m not a huge fan of growth-hormone. I don’t think it’s tremendously beneficial performance enhancing substance".....


besides that there's alot of research and study on the effects of HGH and they are backing up what victor is saying
links for the researches:http://www.annals.org/content/148/10/747.long

and another :http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...v037p00100.pdf

and another:http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2010/s2890301.htm

its been since december ive waited, i just wanna see the fight, if they need to do blood testing, it would only be valid when they r testing for mircera which can be detected 40 days b4 the fight... so a 40 day cut off date is reasonable to me along with unlimited urine testing, i dont want blood testing to be the demise of this fight because we somehow need to crusade for better testing, we can have both but like i said, not at the expense of the fight, lets not make things too complicated wanting blood test to be the norm, its complicated as it is when it comes to the bout of the century.. so slow ur roll lol, thats about it

great stuff.. thanks

[Ryannn]

so apparently, manny's proposal of 24 days no blood and unlimited urine samples is enough to ensure floyd that manny isn't doping, or if he is, wouldn't get much benefit from it....