Simple Question What's The Proof Pac is on Roids?

[The Big Dunn]

Exactly my point!

Would differ if a reputable individual would make remarks, but look who did.

Sr.
Roger
even ODLH and Schaeffer, but later softened
Malignaggi
Then Floyd's remarks on radio with Rugged man

Sometimes it pays if an accuser has cred!

why aren't sr. and roger reputable? or let me ask this, brother ****m is an ex con just like floyd sr. doesn't that make him not reputable?

My point is floyd, naz, roger thats almost 125 yrs boxing experience. Brother ****m knew something that why he checked the wraps. To that point, margarito never had been caught with plaster. Maybe he got a tip. Maybe he saw something. We'll never know but he turned out to be correct.

So what if floyd sr. has dealt drugs or been in prison. That doesn't mean his accusation is false. That man has trained dozens of fighters and was good enough to challenge Sugar Ray Leonard. I think we can agree he knows boxing. Obviously he is biased and way too close to the situation.

He has never accussed another fighter of being on PED's. Just like Canseco has never accused anyone who didn't turn up positive.

[Mushroom]

There is no evidence that he is on drugs. However sometimes solid evidence is irrelevant, like my faith in the Almighty.

[Pullcounter]

can u tell me?

there is no proof... just the ramblings of a crackhead

[jai mari078]

You can question Mayweather's motives all you want but let's not forget that it's the Pacquiao camp that have made ridiculous non-commission demands like the penalty for going overweight and the the glove thickness which Floyd agreed to. If Pacquiao can get away with making these ****** demands about fines, gloves and catchweights then why is it such a big deal for them that Floyd makes this demand? Yet Pacquiao's camp keeps making this excuse that Manny thinks taking blood weakens him and they know it's B.S. Notice how Roach and Ariza will always say "Manny doesn't like..." or "Manny believes..." or "Manny thinks..." when they're supposed be the experts. Roach is right however that Floyd doesn't run the sport but neither does his fighter so both camps need to cut the crap and ****** demands and make the fight happen.

The reason Pacqiao made the demand for the overweight fine, is because Floyd blatantly came into his fight with marquez overweight an already smaller opponenet. ( You call that proof ). Thats what makes the two demands completely different. If Pacquiao had a past similar to what Mosley went through than it would be a little more understandable, but to attack him and try to slander his name with ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF is unjustified.

[RlCKY]

Because there is a noticeable increase in the size of his head since the first barrera fight, just like barry bonds

[John Hue]

There is no proof Manny is on gear,if he is I don't think it is steroids because he does not have the steroid look. There are many that feel he has the HGH look though. There was no proof that Ben Johnson and Dwain Chambers were on gear untill they were caught through testing but there was su****ian just as there is su****ian around Manny.

[RlCKY]

There are many that feel he has the HGH look though.

His face is a lot fuller...i know he's put on weight in the past several years...but his cheek bones are a lot bigger...plus hgh is only detectable for about 48 hours, hence the cut off for the tests

[John Hue]

His face is a lot fuller...i know he's put on weight in the past several years...but his cheek bones are a lot bigger...plus hgh is only detectable for about 48 hours, hence the cut off for the tests

I am a Manny fan but talked about him to a personal trainer who works in a gym,he sees people on gear working out everyday and says there is a look. He said HGH would be great for boxers,the ligaments and skin get stronger but like you said it is only detectable within 48 hours. He seems to think Manny has a HGH look.He said when you get bigger you have to lift heavy and rest a lot and would lose your aerobic ability. He just does not see how Manny can get bigger and be so fit.To him it does not add up as the serious amount of aerobic training Manny does would strip mass not build it.

[MurderDeathKill]

There is none.

[poeticlsykuac]

well to be honest if u would place urself out of the ****** box for a little bit u can see that this is just a tactic of floyd sr. but since it gotten this big here in the forums (not in reality) i just dont get it why force a guy for something which he is never been caught with or even tested positive for this substance.

Place myself outside the ****** box? Are you kidding me? That is really your rebuttal beautifully posted especially like your grammar and your ability to type up a whole three letter word like YOU.

I don't care for the stipulation at all. I don't like it, as I stated but Manny has no reason to deny the test except the obvious he is using a form of steroids. I don't think it is PBF's job to clean up the sport, I don't care about this demand one bit.

His athleticism being improved at a higher weight class is certainly su****ious. As others have stated how can he get stronger while retaining his speed on the move up in weight? He couldn't KO guys at lower weight classes but guys at higher weight classes can't take his power? Mosley didn't retain all his speed when he moved from 135 to 147(who was a huge LW and constantly weight drained at 135), how did this guy retain his speed over 25 pounds(Manny's speed is right up there with his 122 pound campaigns). Serious questions have to be answered and Manny should clear his name, I am not saying Manny is on any form of steroids but it is quite su****ious that he isn't willing to prove his own innocence even when it is tainting his own name as he said.

Though it is innocent till prove guilty you can still be marked as guilty in the eyes of the masses. This stipulation is the same concept of him making bs weight stipulations, he wants to be considered a WW and be the lineal champ but he won't fight by the commissioned rules of 147. Why is that? So he can have a weight drained opponent there is no reason otherwise, why is it fair for him to make that demand about weight but PBF can't make sure he has no drugs in his system.

Everyone is acting like Sr. is the first guy to mention him on drugs, but he isn't. He gets more publicity then most so it seems like he is on a rampage. There are several people outside the Mayweather team that have questioned him before Sr. brought it out.

Why can Manny make these ridiculous demands about weight? Why is it fair to fight for a 147 belt and make the guy make a weight you know he will have trouble with? There are two sides to this. Manny wants other fighters to bend to his rules but refuses to bend to theirs, when he is "innocent". Guess what, the ball is in PBF's court he is the bigger name this time, now Manny who was so humble for so long won't take a test to prove his innocence?

Manny has tattoos so we know he isn't scared of needles, and I some how doubt when he takes physicals he doesn't have to give blood to make sure nothing is wrong, I had to you don't think some one with more reasons to test for health won't? Manny needs to clear his name it is simple, not difficult, if he wants to show he is innocent he needs to pull up his skirt grab his testes and man up.

I hope he does as I think he will give Mayweather a lot to handle, but this is a pivot point in the negotiations as well. If he wants the same amount of money he will have to take the test, if not he will give up a portion of his name and some money as well as any weight stipulation he wants. He will have no ability to negotiate unless he takes the test. He has been pegged as a steroid user until he proves other wise rumors will continue.