Amir Khan vs Victor Ortiz

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Ortiz has accurate punching power amd hardly ever misses a punch...Khan has speed and ok power with reach...Ortiz has always proven to handle tall lanky fighters like khan by workinh on the inside amd landing hir right cross...if Ortiz proves against Campbell that he's the same or a better fighter than before the maidana fight then I got Ortiz beating Khan by KO/TKO in round 7...Khan can't spark out Ortiz...

khan's reach advantage over ortiz is negligible. for a fighter with his height, he doesnt even really have great length.
khan wont languish on the inside with ortiz though.

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khan's reach advantage over ortiz is negligible. for a fighter with his height, he doesnt even really have great length.
khan wont languish on the inside with ortiz though.

He has ok length but I still find Ortiz to easily beat taller men...just like he did to Mausa and like he did to Resto...he finds the height as an easy target for that cross...I'm surprised at how many people also think Ortiz will stop Khan lol

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No video footage, khan said himself in an interview which can be found on here, I think it was 1st or 2nd round, anyway I used to box on the amateur circuit here in the UK and that was the word, ortiz had to take a couple of counts in the 1st so sounded pretty one-sided.

I don't think he is that much less aggressive, he may not exchange as much but that is just smart especially if your faster than all your opponents, he just makes less technical defensive mistakes, his hands are higher, he brings them back up to where they should be after combinations, his right hand is higher when he throws his left hook. Just to name a few, but all-round he is much better, even offensively, physically also. Let me tell you something, on boxer goes through fights without making mistakes its impossible, im not sure we are even watching the same figher? He isn't a tense fighter, he is actually pretty relaxed as far as fighters go.

He will not have to box and move against ortiz for 12 rounds you are considerably underestimating khan's power, kotelnik has an iron chin and a great defence, amir had the right tactics against him, hell maidana couldn't take the middle of the ring against kotelnik, plus ortiz has been gun shy since he lost, and once he feels amir's power trust me he will be again. Amir will box and move early, by the 4th or 5th round he will have the middle of the ring and will be hurting ortiz bad, ortiz isn't a great fighter at long range anyway, but against khan, with those height and reach advantages, forget about it. Ortiz is only chance is a ko in the first 2 or 3 rounds, but amir's jab, speed, power will dismantle ortiz if he can't get amir out of there early.

I guess we'l see if the fight happens, I think if they both win their respective fights they will probably fight next, but im not convinced ortiz will beat nate campbell, he doesn't look the same fighter to me (pre-maidana)

I heard the Khan Vs Ortiz fight in the amateurs was stopped because Khan was ahead of points but never had victor in trouble...

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No video footage, khan said himself in an interview which can be found on here, I think it was 1st or 2nd round, anyway I used to box on the amateur circuit here in the UK and that was the word, ortiz had to take a couple of counts in the 1st so sounded pretty one-sided.

I don't think he is that much less aggressive, he may not exchange as much but that is just smart especially if your faster than all your opponents, he just makes less technical defensive mistakes, his hands are higher, he brings them back up to where they should be after combinations, his right hand is higher when he throws his left hook. Just to name a few, but all-round he is much better, even offensively, physically also. Let me tell you something, on boxer goes through fights without making mistakes its impossible, im not sure we are even watching the same figher? He isn't a tense fighter, he is actually pretty relaxed as far as fighters go.

He will not have to box and move against ortiz for 12 rounds you are considerably underestimating khan's power, kotelnik has an iron chin and a great defence, amir had the right tactics against him, hell maidana couldn't take the middle of the ring against kotelnik, plus ortiz has been gun shy since he lost, and once he feels amir's power trust me he will be again. Amir will box and move early, by the 4th or 5th round he will have the middle of the ring and will be hurting ortiz bad, ortiz isn't a great fighter at long range anyway, but against khan, with those height and reach advantages, forget about it. Ortiz is only chance is a ko in the first 2 or 3 rounds, but amir's jab, speed, power will dismantle ortiz if he can't get amir out of there early.

I guess we'l see if the fight happens, I think if they both win their respective fights they will probably fight next, but im not convinced ortiz will beat nate campbell, he doesn't look the same fighter to me (pre-maidana)

-lesser exchanges = less aggressive wouldnt you agree?
-yes. khan is a tense fighter. a lot of wasted movement and you can see the tension in his arms. its one of the reasons why he was caught vs the fighters he was hurt against. when you fight tense, you have a tendency to freeze.
-lol, so you're implying khan will exchange more with ortiz with his chin? you're crazy. given his physical tools (and deficiencies) it only makes sense to box from the outside and avoid exchanges, but khan is almost robot-like with his boxing movements. he's clearly in transition from being a puncher to becoming a boxer, but as far as boxing instincts, it doesnt look natural.
-khan's height and reach advantage over ortiz would be negligible. he is 1 inch taller and has 1 inch of reach. ortiz is the bigger more physical fighter and he is undoubtedly the heavier puncher, with accuracy, technique and good speed.
-im not convinced of amir's power at 140, especially since he's fighting more on his back foot and on the move. ortiz hits harder.

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I heard the Khan Vs Ortiz fight in the amateurs was stopped because Khan was ahead of points but never had victor in trouble...

I just checked to make sure and no it was stopped rsc, which means oritz was unfit to continue, or being overwhelmed or outclassed. For it to be a scoring stoppage...khan would have had to be ahead by 20 points after 2 rounds, and it would have had the rsc-os (I believe) which is the citation to a scoring stoppage.

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-lesser exchanges = less aggressive wouldnt you agree?
-yes. khan is a tense fighter. a lot of wasted movement and you can see the tension in his arms. its one of the reasons why he was caught vs the fighters he was hurt against. when you fight tense, you have a tendency to freeze.
-lol, so you're implying khan will exchange more with ortiz with his chin? you're crazy. given his physical tools (and deficiencies) it only makes sense to box from the outside and avoid exchanges, but khan is almost robot-like with his boxing movements. he's clearly in transition from being a puncher to becoming a boxer, but as far as boxing instincts, it doesnt look natural.
-khan's height and reach advantage over ortiz would be negligible. he is 1 inch taller and has 1 inch of reach. ortiz is the bigger more physical fighter and he is undoubtedly the heavier puncher, with accuracy, technique and good speed.
-im not convinced of amir's power at 140, especially since he's fighting more on his back foot and on the move. ortiz hits harder.

Exactly bro...Ortiz has power, accuracy, and decent speed...a combination of those things makes Ortiz a bigger threat to Khan than Maidana who is a one dementional fighter who throws rabbit punches...Ortiz has similar power to Maidana but the difference is that Ortiz can land punches, is faster, and is more athletic than he is...Khan doesn't have the legs at 140 and his power is overrated...his speed is his weapon and roach's combos but he can still be out muscled and would be countered easily by Ortiz' short accurate punches...

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-lesser exchanges = less aggressive wouldnt you agree?
-yes. khan is a tense fighter. a lot of wasted movement and you can see the tension in his arms. its one of the reasons why he was caught vs the fighters he was hurt against. when you fight tense, you have a tendency to freeze.
-lol, so you're implying khan will exchange more with ortiz with his chin? you're crazy. given his physical tools (and deficiencies) it only makes sense to box from the outside and avoid exchanges, but khan is almost robot-like with his boxing movements. he's clearly in transition from being a puncher to becoming a boxer, but as far as boxing instincts, it doesnt look natural.
-khan's height and reach advantage over ortiz would be negligible. he is 1 inch taller and has 1 inch of reach. ortiz is the bigger more physical fighter and he is undoubtedly the heavier puncher, with accuracy, technique and good speed.
-im not convinced of amir's power at 140, especially since he's fighting more on his back foot and on the move. ortiz hits harder.

No I wouldn't for 2 reasons, you can exchange punches fighting off the back foot with movement like khan did against michael gomez, but didn't exchange as much against barrera and was more aggressive. Number 2 you can be aggresive by getting off first and pushing your man back and utilizing in and out movement, which is how I think roach wants khan to fight, ala manny pacquiao. I am sorry I don't agree with khan being a tense fighter, and even if you say he is, he still threw over 900 punches against kotelnik. I don't know what you mean about his boxing instincts, floyd mayweather he is not, but he still has great reflexes and movement, and I certainly wouldn't call him robotic lol ****** comment. Khan doesn' need to exchange with ortiz, he can get his shots off and get out of the way for the most part. Ortiz is a good fighter, don't get me wrong, but amir is waay better in every department imo. I think in a year or 2 you'l look back at this and be embarrassed, yes amir has defencies but ortiz isn't the fighter to expose them.

We'l see about amir's power if he can ko/tko paulie he will certainly have proved it then

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and in terms of dimensions, yeah there isn't that much in it, but ortiz fights in a crouched more explosive stance, but he is not particular blessed with great footwork and footspeed. Amir fights taller and punches much straighter you have to take that into account.

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-lesser exchanges = less aggressive wouldnt you agree?
-yes. khan is a tense fighter. a lot of wasted movement and you can see the tension in his arms. its one of the reasons why he was caught vs the fighters he was hurt against. when you fight tense, you have a tendency to freeze.
-lol, so you're implying khan will exchange more with ortiz with his chin? you're crazy. given his physical tools (and deficiencies) it only makes sense to box from the outside and avoid exchanges, but khan is almost robot-like with his boxing movements. he's clearly in transition from being a puncher to becoming a boxer, but as far as boxing instincts, it doesnt look natural.
-khan's height and reach advantage over ortiz would be negligible. he is 1 inch taller and has 1 inch of reach. ortiz is the bigger more physical fighter and he is undoubtedly the heavier puncher, with accuracy, technique and good speed.
-im not convinced of amir's power at 140, especially since he's fighting more on his back foot and on the move. ortiz hits harder.

He decked his last opponent with an ACCURATE beautiful combo. At his age and stage in career you have to go by his last fight. He's coming up. When it's time for Ortiz and anybody else he'll be more than ready!!!!

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Ortiz KO's him..........early.