How can somone who got outboxed by Quintana beat Pacquiao/Mayweather?

[Biolink]

I used to always say Williams.

But I have to go with Floyd. Hes just too smart,

What would Mayweather do when Williams doubles and triples up on the jab to keep him out?

I think without question he's superior inside, but what would he do to get in on him in the meantime? Or would he counter him in the pocket?

[damned1974]

Oh, I would pick P Williams over both Pacman and Floyd.

Pacman is way too small.

I can also see P. Williams being able to hit Floyd a lot more easier and often than Floyd's usual cast of "fill-in-the-blank"

I can see Floyd outboxing and outsmarting Williams. Two fights that suggest a blueprint are Quintana and Sergio...both fought on the outside (like Floyd likes to do-keep distance),lured Williams in to give away his reach, and then counter him,or throw a few and move away.Williams is good,but until he fights like a tall fighter, he will have some close-calls and lose on occasion.Floyd and Manny pose some problems,but I think out of the two,Floyd is the smarter one to capitalize on Williams. Manny is more of a pattern fighter like Williams,Floyd adapts and adjusts frequently...

[ADP02]

I can see Floyd outboxing and outsmarting Williams. Two fights that suggest a blueprint are Quintana and Sergio...both fought on the outside (like Floyd likes to do-keep distance),lured Williams in to give away his reach, and then counter him,or throw a few and move away.Williams is good,but until he fights like a tall fighter, he will have some close-calls and lose on occasion.Floyd and Manny pose some problems,but I think out of the two,Floyd is the smarter one to capitalize on Williams. Manny is more of a pattern fighter like Williams,Floyd adapts and adjusts frequently...

Floyd doesn't throw enough to win this one. Williams throws and throws and throws. Williams is tall, has the reach, and is consistent. So he can get "in" where some others can't.

You need to look at Floyd's tapes. Except for the Mosley fight, Floyd has a distinct pattern as well. If you know his routine you can get him in trouble. Of course, its all talk on my part at this point but Williams can be the guy to expose Floyd.

You also need to remember this very important point. Almost all of Floyd's opponents gassed out by the middle rounds. This is usually when Floyd takes over. From what I have seen of Williams so far, I can't see that happening.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

People bringing up Williams height and reach are forgetting the fact that he doesnt use either.

[letsgobrady]

Nothing against Quintana, but both Pacquiao and Mayweather are faster and more comfortable at 147 than Paul Williams will ever be. Why do people over-rate Pauls existence at Welterweight?




Waste off time, Pac-May should fight each other, Paul is fools gold...at 147 anyway

how can pacquiao outbox williams when he has never outboxed anyone except diaz

[Championart]

In my opinion Williams does not beat either Mayweather or Pac at 147. Mayweather by decision and Pac by KO. You guys have to remember that Paul does not fight like a big man of his height should. Yes he has tremendous output but all that means is that he would get hit more by Floyd's counters and eventually become hesitant to throw so much. Pac would be a great fight, would be war but i think pac Ko's him just my opinion. Williams beats everyone else at welter weight though.

[Championart]

Floyd doesn't throw enough to win this one. Williams throws and throws and throws. Williams is tall, has the reach, and is consistent. So he can get "in" where some others can't.

You need to look at Floyd's tapes. Except for the Mosley fight, Floyd has a distinct pattern as well. If you know his routine you can get him in trouble. Of course, its all talk on my part at this point but Williams can be the guy to expose Floyd.

You also need to remember this very important point. Almost all of Floyd's opponents gassed out by the middle rounds. This is usually when Floyd takes over. From what I have seen of Williams so far, I can't see that happening.

Floyd never throws enough but he lands more than enough and even more than his opponents. Throwing is not what wins the fight its landing and Floyd would cut down Paul's accuracy and counter him till he's scared to throw.

Floyd has a pattern are you serious? The only pattern Floyd has is he adjusts to his opponents. He never fights the same against opponents. Sure he has a signature shoulder roll and throws lead hooks but pattern? No way.

You think Floyds opponents are gassed by chance? You just said it all of them are and thats not by luck. When you throw a lot, miss a lot and get punched in the face and jabbed to the stomach a lot that tends to happen.

[letsgobrady]

Floyd doesn't throw enough to win this one. Williams throws and throws and throws. Williams is tall, has the reach, and is consistent. So he can get "in" where some others can't.

You need to look at Floyd's tapes. Except for the Mosley fight, Floyd has a distinct pattern as well. If you know his routine you can get him in trouble. Of course, its all talk on my part at this point but Williams can be the guy to expose Floyd.

You also need to remember this very important point. Almost all of Floyd's opponents gassed out by the middle rounds. This is usually when Floyd takes over. From what I have seen of Williams so far, I can't see that happening.

neither sergio or quintanna are volume punchers and sergio seems to take it easy for rounds 5-8 and still almost beat williams or should have

[ADP02]

Floyd never throws enough but he lands more than enough and even more than his opponents. Throwing is not what wins the fight its landing and Floyd would cut down Paul's accuracy and counter him till he's scared to throw.

Floyd has a pattern are you serious? The only pattern Floyd has is he adjusts to his opponents. He never fights the same against opponents. Sure he has a signature shoulder roll and throws lead hooks but pattern? No way.

You think Floyds opponents are gassed by chance? You just said it all of them are and thats not by luck. When you throw a lot, miss a lot and get punched in the face and jabbed to the stomach a lot that tends to happen.

You said Floyd throws enough because he lands more than his opponents. Williams throws a lot more than other opponents and lands a lot against most of his opponents. Williams has an advantage that most of Floyd's other opponents, of late , do not have. Williams is a work horse that is very tall and has a reach. Williams height and reach will make it easier for him to connect in situations where other fighter's couldn't. For example, when Floyd rolls his shoulder, he is blocking his opponents from hitting his head with those shoulders. With Williams height and reach, he will SEE AND HIT Floyd's head all night long.

As for Floyd having a pattern, I mean, he usually uses the same movements defensively. He just mixes it up effectively and nobody to date has managed to grasp how to counter his defense. I have looked at many of his tapes and have noticed a few things that perhaps you may have missed. What I stated above (counter FLoyd's rolling his shoulder) is but just one example of how Williams can do what others couldn't.

As for Floyd's opponents being gassed, it is actually that Floyd always comes in superior condition while his opponents just can't keep their consistency throughout the fight. Yes, they also miss more but my point was, just to say, Williams output rate is high and has been consistent with most of his fights upt to the end of the 12th round. If you have a runner in there, then you can't hit/throw what you can't find. My belief, at this point in time, is that Floyd avoids punches with his defense not due to running.

Williams was not scared with Martinez, Margo, ..... so I don't believe he will be scared of Floyd's punches, as you stated.

[ADP02]

neither sergio or quintanna are volume punchers and sergio seems to take it easy for rounds 5-8 and still almost beat williams or should have

Good points but ....
Quintana is an ackward opponent for anyone and I believe Williams got experience with that and knocked him out the 2nd time round.

S.Martinez was able to knock Williams down so it adds a dimension that might not be available for Floyd.