Floyd said Ali lost all three times to Norton..

[ANAL_CHERRY]

And lost to Leon Spinx, who at the time only had 7 pro fights under his belt.

He also criticized Muhammad for never throwing bodyshots..

What do you all make of that?

I never saw any of the Norton fights or the Spinx fight.

[El Jesus]

watch the norton fights and you will understand why he said that.

[ANAL_CHERRY]

watch the norton fights and you will understand why he said that.

So you feel like Norton won them fights too?

Maybe Holmes was right when he said, Ali was a great champ but extremely overrated.

[Horus]

In terms of Boxing Overall Skill.
Mayweather > Ali

Accomplishments

Ali > Mayweather

[ИATAS]

So you feel like Norton won them fights too?

Maybe Holmes was right when he said, Ali was a great champ but extremely overrated.

Ali was old and past his prime when he lost to Leon Spinks. Everyone knows that.

Ken Norton was a tough matchup for ali, no shame in that.

[ANAL_CHERRY]

In some ways, Ali's weakness is the same as Floyd's weakness.

...when an opponent jabs at him.

[infamous larryx]

well anyone who say the norton fights can argue ali lost all 3 of them..BUT officially he won 2 of them..and spinks did beat ali in his 8th fight..but that was a old past prime ali

[Smooth Criminal]

Ali was bested by a legendary trainer from Michigan. The Mayweather family, being from Michigan, know these facts well.

On fighting Ali: “I set up a strategy to avoid Ali’ strengths as much as we possible could and to exploit his weaknesses as much as we could,” says Futch. “One of those weaknesses was that Ali could not throw the right-hand uppercut properly. He would stand straight up to throw it and not bend his knees or his body to throw it. So we had Joe bob and weave in a more exaggerated way, just a little lower than he normally did, and stay in close so Joe could work the body and watch for Ali’s right hand to drop to thro the uppercut. He told Joe, “the minute you see his right hand come down, you throw the left hook. You could catch him with the left hook.”

He trained the first two fighters to defeat Ali.

[roxy]

Ali fought everybody for years, he fought many times where he was the underdog and most importantly he fought the guys while they were still in their prime.
He was the undisputed champion not a titlest

[ANAL_CHERRY]

In terms of Boxing Overall Skill.
Mayweather > Ali

Accomplishments

Ali > Mayweather

While you're right about that, Ali's failures are also greater than Floyd's failures .