Floyd being this good, yet not going for the kill = less PPV buys

[mathed]

The proof is in the pudding. Not starting anything here but realistically in their last two fights you can see what is what.

Pac fought Clottey, a virtual unknown to the general public and still does nearly 900K sales. Mind you, there was no 24/7 to promote it and it got little publicity outside of the Top Rank PPV cards which advertised the bout during the airings.

Mayweather fought Mosley, two big, big names and had a 24/7 and tremendous advertising. It was thought that this fight could potentially crush the all time PPV sales record amassing as much as 4 million buys as quoted by Schaefer. The estimate is like 1.25 million sales or somewhere in that region, good but no more than Mayweather did against JMM back in August.

In that fight, you had the 24/7, return of Money May, and the huge Hispanic following rooting for Marquez which brought in the buys not to mention the extended time for promoting that fight after the Money injury.

So the Money/Mosley fight does 1.25 million to Pac/Clottey doing 0.900 million.1.25/0.900 = 1.39 or 139% of the sales that Pac/Clottey did. The bigger names, 24/7, and extensive promoting amounted to an additional 39% in PPV buys. This, to me, is not such a significant advantage considering the magnitude of each event, respectively- considering some thought this would be the highest grossing fight of all time.

I just hope the fight we all want to see comes to fruition and there are no snags from either guy.

[fightfan_79]

My thoughts have been the same. I mean he probably sees Rog and his Dad on a daily basis, that has to mess with his mind.

Like I've said, a super talented guy like Phony has more gears in him, but, he's got somethin' messin' with him in the back of his mind.

Seeing Ali, and the way he is now.....that probably is the biggest image and factor in why he has switched up how he is now boxing.....I ain't mad at Floyd for doing things the way he does...BUT I DID have a problem with all the talk and no walking the walk....

[fightfan_79]

The proof is in the pudding. Not starting anything here but realistically in their last two fights you can see what is what.

Pac fought Clottey, a virtual unknown to the general public and still does nearly 900K sales. Mind you, there was no 24/7 to promote it and it got little publicity outside of the Top Rank PPV cards which advertised the bout during the airings.

Mayweather fought Mosley, two big, big names and had a 24/7 and tremendous advertising. It was thought that this fight could potentially crush the all time PPV sales record amassing as much as 4 million buys as quoted by Schaefer. The estimate is like 1.25 million sales or somewhere in that region, good but no more than Mayweather did against JMM back in August.

In that fight, you had the 24/7, return of Money May, and the huge Hispanic following rooting for Marquez which brought in the buys not to mention the extended time for promoting that fight after the Money injury.

So the Money/Mosley fight does 1.25 million to Pac/Clottey doing 0.900 million.1.25/0.900 = 1.39 or 139% of the sales that Pac/Clottey did. The bigger names, 24/7, and extensive promoting amounted to an additional 39% in PPV buys. This, to me, is not such a significant advantage considering the magnitude of each event, respectively- considering some thought this would be the highest grossing fight of all time.

I just hope the fight we all want to see comes to fruition and there are no snags from either guy.

Thanks for the history lesson Mathed...

So let's throw in there if Floyd had a killer insticnt....safe to say that his JMM fight could've pulled 1.5-1.75.....and Mosley a cool 2.0 milli?

[El Jesus]

Personally, i dont really care to critique a guy whos strategy has worked for 41 fights. Him going for the "kill", sometimes its just not there. Its not like he didint try, but how many times has mosley been stopped? How about JMM? Sometimes its there, sometimes it isnt, floyd isnt that combination puncher anymore, thats just something you have to realize. Hes not that guy at 130/135

hes slipped. Hes lost some reflexes, hes lost some of his legs. Hes winning based on intelligence. I cant ask more of him than to try to put on a show to the best of his current ability.

[Ninth302]

That is a negative......better how????

DLH = 2.4 mili....Hatton = 920K.....JMM = 1.05mili.....Mosley = ??? (anything under 1.5mili realistically is great....but in Floyd's world 1.5 = huge failure)

Mosley was the best dance partner he could've had, cept for Manny, and the way Golden Boy was hyping this up.....

Time will tell....

He did go for the kill... shane was holding...

[pbftxrs316]

people keep talking about floyd's killer instinct----i feel, floyd chooses not to go for the kill like he did in 2005 because of his opponents going into survival mode----

shane mosley did everything he could to grab and hold floyd and talk to him----floyd just stayed calm----stayed poised and fought smart---it's not that he doesn't go for the kill to piss people off---he's fighting smart and his opponents are straying from him---shane ran from floyd in this fight, no doubt--he looked done, winded, gone---but shane will fight and swing desperatetely to try to end the fight---shane's never been knocked out---not even by bigger buys---winky, de la hoya, mayorga, and of course forrest hit shane a lot----cotto hit shane a lot, and they couldn't knock him out, and vernon dropped shane----shane has never been knocked out---and yes, floyd was close to stopping shane, had he opened up, he would have stopped shane, the same with jmm----jmm has never been knocked out, knocked down, yes, knocked out, hell no----floyd was the bigger guy, yes, he was also fighting smart in that fight---he does have a killer instinct---at 140, floyd was in his absolute prime as far as his combos, offensive arsenal----the way he fought corley, bruselles, and gatti, no fighter wanted to fight this guy, no fighter---once floyd did what he did to gatti, hatton, mosley, de la hoya, judah, wright, nobody wanted floyd---this was when floyd wanted to put on shows to make it to ppv---his first ppv, he put on his most dominating, one sided performance, ever in his career, and that's saying a lot, because he's had many one sided performances against legit fighters, like coralles, hernandez, n'dou, baldomir, eventually judah, mosley now, soon to be manny pacquiao, tony pep, but at this weight, floyd peaked---he would never be that physical again---this was when floyd has court cases and going through all of this mayhem, and he fought like a monster----of course at 130 and 135 he was more offensive, but the bigger floyd got, the bigger his opponents were to him, the more cautious he fought, because at 147, even though he beat sharmba and zab the way he did, they were not huge ww's, they were bigger than floyd, yes, but not huge ww's----when floyd showed that he had slowed down with his handpseed, which he did, which i've always said, the reason oscar and shane and hatton opted to fight floyd when they did, was because they felt he slowed down, and oscar gave himself so many advantages in the fight, except skill, and floyd fought smart---so, when floyd fought baldomir, a guy who outweighed him by 13 pounds, even though he was slower than floyd---he was a strong ww, with a great chin, could connect on you and hurt you---floyd decided that he needs to show his versatility--he fought him different----he didn't gatti him, he outboxed him, he dominated him different----and proved he could win every round against a bigger man---and after that fight, floyd was called a runner, and started to get criticized even though just 3 fights earlier, he did what he did to gatti, and the world was his playground---larry merchant kissed his ass so much in the gatti fight---manny steward kissed his ass so much in the corley fight---jim lampley kissed his ass so much in the gatti and corley fight----larry merchant, lewis, and lampley kissed floyd's ass so so much in the judah fight---just go back and hear the commentary----all of a sudden, the next fight, larry merchant, steward, and lampley are bashing floyd to the core---because of how he's fighting--even harold lederman---who has always gave floyd his due credit-----bashed floyd----

and all of a sudden, people on here and the media of course ran with the commentary, and floyd was criticized for everything, his resume all of a sudden was overrated, the the way he fights was heavily bashed, and i couldn't understand it---the post fight interview for the baldomir fight, sure didn't help---larry merchant has bashed floyd before, and floyd let him have it---then the next fight, with de la hoya----the biasness towards de la hoya from the hbo team was disgraceful, pathetic, and people on here ran with it---then all of a sudden, it was floyd's fault, the fight went the way it did----no blame really went to oscar----max kellerman though, showed some true wit, and he was then bashed by posters on here---i know, i've been apart of this forum since 2006----going on 4 years---i'm one of the veterans on here, and believe me, i'm not bragging about it---it's a damn boxing forum---lol---but i do love this forum, and i can make these long posts like i do because i've seen people just totally contradict themselves when it comes to floyd----

the blame always went to him---all of a suddent, floyd is ducking margarito, when nobody was talking about margarito when floyd was the next in line for oscar back when oscar stopped mayorga--all of a sudden, the fight falls through for late 2006, and floyd calls out mosley, mosley takes a vacation, and needs dental work, and pretty much ducked the **** out of floyd again, when floyd wanted to fight him in his so called prime---when he was actve--when he was on a role---when he had just knocked out vargas again---when he wass younger--when he not considered old all of a sudden---even though when floyd fought him--he was the ww champion coming off of an amazing win over the guy who you people claimed floyd ducked----then it started to make sense to me---people on here are so blinded by how floyd changed into this character--even back in early 2001, before he fought coralles, i have the press conference on ****ing tape---one day, i will figure out how to post it on here---

but all of a sudden, when floyd didn't do something he said he would, he was hammered for it----he beats a guy, and just because he dominated him on the scorecards, he gets bashed for it, and a person like hopkins beats a guy smaller than him and younger than him, and beats him on the scorecards, and he gets super praised for it---or when oscar beat mayorga, all of a sudden he would knock mayweather jr out---or shane would ko floyd, and be his best competiton, of course when his teeth healed---and when floyd finally fights him, after they were inactive for about the same amount of time---shane is all of a sudden old, and floyd isn't a killer---when floyd can't beat you anyway he wants----it's a ****ing shame, and yes, this post is long as **** and many of you on here will let me know it, but for those who do read it, keep paying attention---

floyd beats oscAR, by this time, hatton is fighting in america, he beats castillo in 4 rounds, bashes floyd, and floyd decides to fight him---now, even though many people on here, and other fighters, trainers, experts pick ricky to give floyd one hell of a fight, and bring the best out of him, which ricky really didn't do--he just lost at his own game---all of a sudden, floyd is ducking margarito again, who beat cotto, who floyd ducked after he beat shane, but then, floyd ducked shane after oscar supposedely, and all of a sudden, floyd is a coward, even though arum did his everything to keep cotto away from floyd, who wanted to fight cotto for 10 million dollars, an undefeated cotto, rather than a margarito who wasn't known, who really hadn't proved anything yet, even though he was a strong ww who wanted floyd---floyd's not dumb--he wants big fights, because had he fought tony, then he would have ducked shane and cotto to you people----he fights them, he'll run from them, to you people---or he won't finish the job to you people---so floyd has to be this perfect boxer, even though, he's dominating these guys, he's still doing something wrong to you people, and it's pathetic--you people are ****ing crybabies

floyd fights hatton, a huge money fight, hatton comes from 140, the weight he ducked floyd at, fights for floyd's title, hatton is still undefeated of course, and just beat the guy who gave floyd his closest fight, in castillo---many people feel jose beat floyd the 1st time---now, once floyd fights hatton the way he did, and tko's him after a beautiful check left hook----ricky is all of a sudden to small, and it took floyd 10 rounds to do it, and it took manny 2 rounds to do it---to be continued bitches--

[sicko]

anytime you get 1 Million or higher that is GREAT I don't give a damn if it is 1.1, 1.2, when you break 1 Million that is a WIN for Mayweather and Golden Boy, not only that but these are two African-American fighters lets be honest that is always a tough sell, not taking into account the Fight Parties all over the US, it was like Super Bowl weekend with all these parties

only reason why people are trying to down play the numbers was because Richard Schafer predicted 4 Million which nobody believed in the first place, it is funny to me how people not only root against Mayweather in the ring but then they want his PPV Buy numbers to Fail also lol

[Hi-Dro]

that was a long ass post but i read it all

good ****

[fightfan_79]

anytime you get 1 Million or higher that is GREAT I don't give a damn if it is 1.1, 1.2, when you break 1 Million that is a WIN for Mayweather and Golden Boy, not only that but these are two African-American fighters lets be honest that is always a tough sell, not taking into account the Fight Parties all over the US, it was like Super Bowl weekend with all these parties

only reason why people are trying to down play the numbers was because Richard Schafer predicted 4 Million which nobody believed in the first place, it is funny to me how people not only root against Mayweather in the ring but then they want his PPV Buy numbers to Fail also lol

Has nothing to do with whatever # was predicted...we all know that anything less than 1mili PPV buys for Floyd would be considered a "failure", we have been conditioned to think that by the man himself....so its only fair that the tables turn on him.

Richard Schafer is a dam fool to even think that 4 mili was a possibility, I was being more realistic with a 2.0 mili #.....but even if it is at 1.25 or around that...in this day and age, with people haveing "superbowl" type parties packing 10, 20 even 30 people into one living room, garage or whevever you hosted....1 mili is a huge success.....just a matter of how much GBP and HBO sunk into the marketing and promo....

[fightfan_79]

people keep talking about floyd's killer instinct----i feel, floyd chooses not to go for the kill like he did in 2005 because of his opponents going into survival mode----

shane mosley did everything he could to grab and hold floyd and talk to him----floyd just stayed calm----stayed poised and fought smart---it's not that he doesn't go for the kill to piss people off---he's fighting smart and his opponents are straying from him---shane ran from floyd in this fight, no doubt--he looked done, winded, gone---but shane will fight and swing desperatetely to try to end the fight---shane's never been knocked out---not even by bigger buys---winky, de la hoya, mayorga, and of course forrest hit shane a lot----cotto hit shane a lot, and they couldn't knock him out, and vernon dropped shane----shane has never been knocked out---and yes, floyd was close to stopping shane, had he opened up, he would have stopped shane, the same with jmm----jmm has never been knocked out, knocked down, yes, knocked out, hell no----floyd was the bigger guy, yes, he was also fighting smart in that fight---he does have a killer instinct---at 140, floyd was in his absolute prime as far as his combos, offensive arsenal----the way he fought corley, bruselles, and gatti, no fighter wanted to fight this guy, no fighter---once floyd did what he did to gatti, hatton, mosley, de la hoya, judah, wright, nobody wanted floyd---this was when floyd wanted to put on shows to make it to ppv---his first ppv, he put on his most dominating, one sided performance, ever in his career, and that's saying a lot, because he's had many one sided performances against legit fighters, like coralles, hernandez, n'dou, baldomir, eventually judah, mosley now, soon to be manny pacquiao, tony pep, but at this weight, floyd peaked---he would never be that physical again---this was when floyd has court cases and going through all of this mayhem, and he fought like a monster----of course at 130 and 135 he was more offensive, but the bigger floyd got, the bigger his opponents were to him, the more cautious he fought, because at 147, even though he beat sharmba and zab the way he did, they were not huge ww's, they were bigger than floyd, yes, but not huge ww's----when floyd showed that he had slowed down with his handpseed, which he did, which i've always said, the reason oscar and shane and hatton opted to fight floyd when they did, was because they felt he slowed down, and oscar gave himself so many advantages in the fight, except skill, and floyd fought smart---so, when floyd fought baldomir, a guy who outweighed him by 13 pounds, even though he was slower than floyd---he was a strong ww, with a great chin, could connect on you and hurt you---floyd decided that he needs to show his versatility--he fought him different----he didn't gatti him, he outboxed him, he dominated him different----and proved he could win every round against a bigger man---and after that fight, floyd was called a runner, and started to get criticized even though just 3 fights earlier, he did what he did to gatti, and the world was his playground---larry merchant kissed his ass so much in the gatti fight---manny steward kissed his ass so much in the corley fight---jim lampley kissed his ass so much in the gatti and corley fight----larry merchant, lewis, and lampley kissed floyd's ass so so much in the judah fight---just go back and hear the commentary----all of a sudden, the next fight, larry merchant, steward, and lampley are bashing floyd to the core---because of how he's fighting--even harold lederman---who has always gave floyd his due credit-----bashed floyd----

and all of a sudden, people on here and the media of course ran with the commentary, and floyd was criticized for everything, his resume all of a sudden was overrated, the the way he fights was heavily bashed, and i couldn't understand it---the post fight interview for the baldomir fight, sure didn't help---larry merchant has bashed floyd before, and floyd let him have it---then the next fight, with de la hoya----the biasness towards de la hoya from the hbo team was disgraceful, pathetic, and people on here ran with it---then all of a sudden, it was floyd's fault, the fight went the way it did----no blame really went to oscar----max kellerman though, showed some true wit, and he was then bashed by posters on here---i know, i've been apart of this forum since 2006----going on 4 years---i'm one of the veterans on here, and believe me, i'm not bragging about it---it's a damn boxing forum---lol---but i do love this forum, and i can make these long posts like i do because i've seen people just totally contradict themselves when it comes to floyd----

the blame always went to him---all of a suddent, floyd is ducking margarito, when nobody was talking about margarito when floyd was the next in line for oscar back when oscar stopped mayorga--all of a sudden, the fight falls through for late 2006, and floyd calls out mosley, mosley takes a vacation, and needs dental work, and pretty much ducked the **** out of floyd again, when floyd wanted to fight him in his so called prime---when he was actve--when he was on a role---when he had just knocked out vargas again---when he wass younger--when he not considered old all of a sudden---even though when floyd fought him--he was the ww champion coming off of an amazing win over the guy who you people claimed floyd ducked----then it started to make sense to me---people on here are so blinded by how floyd changed into this character--even back in early 2001, before he fought coralles, i have the press conference on ****ing tape---one day, i will figure out how to post it on here---

but all of a sudden, when floyd didn't do something he said he would, he was hammered for it----he beats a guy, and just because he dominated him on the scorecards, he gets bashed for it, and a person like hopkins beats a guy smaller than him and younger than him, and beats him on the scorecards, and he gets super praised for it---or when oscar beat mayorga, all of a sudden he would knock mayweather jr out---or shane would ko floyd, and be his best competiton, of course when his teeth healed---and when floyd finally fights him, after they were inactive for about the same amount of time---shane is all of a sudden old, and floyd isn't a killer---when floyd can't beat you anyway he wants----it's a ****ing shame, and yes, this post is long as **** and many of you on here will let me know it, but for those who do read it, keep paying attention---

floyd beats oscAR, by this time, hatton is fighting in america, he beats castillo in 4 rounds, bashes floyd, and floyd decides to fight him---now, even though many people on here, and other fighters, trainers, experts pick ricky to give floyd one hell of a fight, and bring the best out of him, which ricky really didn't do--he just lost at his own game---all of a sudden, floyd is ducking margarito again, who beat cotto, who floyd ducked after he beat shane, but then, floyd ducked shane after oscar supposedely, and all of a sudden, floyd is a coward, even though arum did his everything to keep cotto away from floyd, who wanted to fight cotto for 10 million dollars, an undefeated cotto, rather than a margarito who wasn't known, who really hadn't proved anything yet, even though he was a strong ww who wanted floyd---floyd's not dumb--he wants big fights, because had he fought tony, then he would have ducked shane and cotto to you people----he fights them, he'll run from them, to you people---or he won't finish the job to you people---so floyd has to be this perfect boxer, even though, he's dominating these guys, he's still doing something wrong to you people, and it's pathetic--you people are ****ing crybabies

floyd fights hatton, a huge money fight, hatton comes from 140, the weight he ducked floyd at, fights for floyd's title, hatton is still undefeated of course, and just beat the guy who gave floyd his closest fight, in castillo---many people feel jose beat floyd the 1st time---now, once floyd fights hatton the way he did, and tko's him after a beautiful check left hook----ricky is all of a sudden to small, and it took floyd 10 rounds to do it, and it took manny 2 rounds to do it---to be continued bitches--

So after all that...and yes I did read it....do you agree that if Floyd KOd JMM, and Mosley...his PPV buyd would be dramatically higher?