Has Manny Pacquiao ever fought anyone with fast handspeed?

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exactly..they are confusing timing with handspeed..and using triangle theories to try to say handspeed doesnt count if its not timed right..or if you lose to a slower person..wtf does that have to do with the question?!!..and the answer to the thread is NO..Pac has never faced anyone with fast HANDSPEED..and certaintly not faster hands them him..




who said anything about black fighters..or slick fighters..the discussion is FAST HANDSPEED..and that has nothing to do with being "slick"..a person can have handspeed and not be slick..vice versa..I think you are obsessed with Black men..you always bring them up..I could literally quote your post history on this..you really need to stick to that gay ass MMA..cause you dont know **** about boxing!..bringing that gay ass sig into a boxing forum

None of my posts have any ********** overtones whatsoever so it's you who might want to rethink their sexuality. I mean if you think MMA a sport where men beat the crap out of each other is "gay" maybe you might want to rethink weather or not you like men or women.


And the reason I mention race is that so many of you have this sterotypical view that White and Hispanic fighters are all slow footed and have no handspeed whatsoever. All the fighters Manny fought all just of happened to be Hispanic in the lower weight classes and how conveniently they suddenly all became slow unathletic fighters once Mannys name got tossed around with Floyd's. I'm not the one being a racist here I'm just calling others out on their obvious sterotyping.

[Kagami Taiga]

But apparently, facing a master counter puncher in his best weightclass = cherry picking

dude, go away. u come in here posting off topic about something that has nothing to do with the current discussion. where did anyone discredit jmm. saying jmm doesnt have fast handspeed, which he doesnt, does not discredit him at all.

[Kagami Taiga]

None of my posts have any ********** overtones whatsoever so it's you who might want to rethink their sexuality. I mean if you think MMA a sport where men beat the crap out of each other is "gay" maybe you might want to rethink weather or not you like men or women.


And the reason I mention race is that so many of you have this sterotypical view that White and Hispanic fighters are all slow footed and have no handspeed whatsoever. All the fighters Manny fought all just of happened to be Hispanic in the lower weight classes and how conveniently they suddenly all became slow unathletic fighters once Mannys name got tossed around with Floyd's. I'm not the one being a racist here I'm just calling others out on their obvious sterotyping.

ok, well the topic is handspeed. ignore the ppl postin off topic and stick to the topic. for the purposes of this argument, how slick the fighter is is irrelevent. once again mosely is far from slick, but his handspeed is among the top all time. so was zab's. jmm, morales, and barerra were incredible boxers but they were not known for their handspeed. pac has faster handspeed than all of them. prime pac has never faced someone with handspeed as fast or faster than his own. thats just true.

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You're flip flopping all over the place. If you had said that originally, I'd have no quarrel with your post. You said "how fast can you be when you lose to a plodding guy like Baldomir." Basically discrediting his speed.

I think thats a solid observation considering that Baldo didn't exactly posess the technical ability much less the hand speed to compete with someone like Judah on paper.

I'm not saying Judah is slow because he's not, but I am questioning if his style made him appear faster than he actually was. When your style is showey and athletic looking than you are always gonna appear more fluid than your basic boxers who uses a more fundamental approach.

I think questioning judah's speed is a fair assesment.

[American Dream]

None of my posts have any ********** overtones whatsoever so it's you who might want to rethink their sexuality. I mean if you think MMA a sport where men beat the crap out of each other is "gay" maybe you might want to rethink weather or not you like men or women.


And the reason I mention race is that so many of you have this sterotypical view that White and Hispanic fighters are all slow footed and have no handspeed whatsoever. All the fighters Manny fought all just of happened to be Hispanic in the lower weight classes and how conveniently they suddenly all became slow unathletic fighters once Mannys name got tossed around with Floyd's. I'm not the one being a racist here I'm just calling others out on their obvious sterotyping.

sure MMA isnt gay at all!
and again..this thread is about HAND SPEED..not SLICK fighters(big difference)..you brought that up..and again NO Pac has not faced anyone with Fast Handspeed..

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ok, well the topic is handspeed. ignore the ppl postin off topic and stick to the topic. for the purposes of this argument, how slick the fighter is is irrelevent. once again mosely is far from slick, but his handspeed is among the top all time. so was zab's. jmm, morales, and barerra were incredible boxers but they were not known for their handspeed. pac has faster handspeed than all of them. prime pac has never faced someone with handspeed as fast or faster than his own. thats just true.

Your right and neither has Floyd in my opinion. Sure Zab was very fast himself but again he was so technically flawed that it didn't make a diffrence in the fight. And while Shane has good handspeed I don't think he's anywhere near as blinding as Pac simply because Pac is so much smaller and his reflexes are so much better than Shane who also happens to be 39.

My opinion is if Floyd and Pac ever meet it will be the first time that both fighter face someone just as skilled and as fast as the other.

[Xyei]

I think thats a solid observation considering that Baldo didn't exactly posess the technical ability much less the hand speed to compete with someone like Judah on paper.

I'm not saying Judah is slow because he's not, but I am questioning if his style made him appear faster than he actually was. When your style is showey and athletic looking than you are always gonna appear more fluid than your basic boxers who uses a more fundamental approach.

I think questioning judah's speed is a fair assesment.

Judah has fast hands. There's no debating that. Judah had faster hands than every fighter he ever faced. You could argue that Floyd was faster but I think Judah has/had faster hands than Floyd.

[illmaticfighter]

judah and shane both have faster hand speed than just about any elite fighter manny has fought,but neither is on the skill level of barrera being able to go from a brawler to a complete boxer shows that barrera skill level is top notch.

being able to throw accurate precise and hard punches is better than being able to throw fast punches this is why shane and judah lost to boxers simple they relied on speed.

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sure MMA isnt gay at all!
and again..this thread is about HAND SPEED..not SLICK fighters(big difference)..you brought that up..and again NO Pac has not faced anyone with Fast Handspeed..

And again you observation is based on what? I've based my opinions on Barrera's ability to outbox a blindingly fast Hamed and Marquez's ability to counter a very fast fighter named Pacman. What are you basing your opinions on? What exactly makes Barrera and Marquez slow?

[IIG]

Your right and neither has Floyd in my opinion. Sure Zab was very fast himself but again he was so technically flawed that it didn't make a diffrence in the fight. And while Shane has good handspeed I don't think he's anywhere near as blinding as Pac simply because Pac is so much smaller and his reflexes are so much better than Shane who also happens to be 39.

My opinion is if Floyd and Pac ever meet it will be the first time that both fighter face someone just as skilled and as fast as the other.

I was with you, until this.