Floyd and Pacquiao: Who's style has the advantage?

[Kobe B Bryant]

Let's see. By the way just my thoughts. If Floyd thinks that Manny is the same fighter when he fought JMM then I think he is making a big mistake. Just my thoughts.

maybe i'm crazy but i think the old pac that just comes in and throws a million punches is the best to fight floyd.

i don't like his in and out style against floyd to be honest.

[DR.ORGYY]

a few times ain't gonna cut it against floyd. he'll eat way more jabs that way than he'll ever connect trying to counter over floyd's jab.

if he wants to counter floyd's jab with a right hook , better to try to go under and throw the right hook to the body than to floyd's head.

get low , go under and throw a right hook to floyd's body. that'll let the jab hit him in the top of the head instead of the face. he better watch out for floyd's right though or an uppercut.

well cause clottey only opened up a few times... mayweather will throw his jab more than clottey therefore he will get countered more with that lead left...

[check hook]

I'd say Floyd. He'll dance all night.

This is a good question.


the answer is that they both pose difficulties to each other.

....i will elaborate further.......


1. Pac is a southpaw. the most effective weapon against a southpaw is the str8 right or the left hook (depending on how u set the left hook up). conventional boxing wisdom suggests you should not throw lead right hands against orthodox fighters.....something we see Floyd do all the time and use effectively. Now against a southpaw, conventional thinking is that it is ok to lead with a str8 rite. So if floyd can do it with such effect and positive results against a righty, when he is not supposed to, surely Pac might be eating some of those leads.....i see floyd pullcountering alot also.

2. Also we all know Floyds best punch is the left hook. Against a southpaw he likes to use it to find range and check the opponent over their lead hand. He also likes to let it fly after leading with the right to the head or body.....another punch i could see him hitting Pac with......additionally he likes to set traps that allow ghim to come underneath and left hook the liver.


3. Floyd is a master at controlling the distance and is more comfortable fighting shorter men. Against Pac he will have a massive advantage in reach and an adv in height. There is a very good chance he could completely dominate Pac whenever Pac tries to get off, using the reach disparity to counter with incredible effectiveness.....why....Pac likes to lunge forward with the first few punches, then show the angles...Floyd might cut him to pieces with those counters.....similar to how JMM did it late in their fight/s.


Now for Pac......

1. Floyd likes to fight southpaws aggressively. He has proven this against Judah, Corley, Mitchell and some other guy early in his career. Pac is a southpaw....the southpaw advantage is less when the the left is moving forward.....but when the righty is aggressive the advantage of being a lefty comes into play more and more. We have seen floyd eat some big str8 lefts and looping lefts down the pipe against Judah, Corley and mitchell.....no reason to expect a guy as fast as Pac won't catch him...and he might not see it either.....especially if he decides to walk Pac down......prime time for Pac....when Floyd jabs with the left or misses with a left hook.


2. Floyd likes to jab his opponents in the pit of the stomach like a laser. Pac can counter this effectively with the short right hook he throws......similar in the fashion Judah was able to (at least for one rd).....so that may take away floyd's wear down punch to the body....and give Pac an effective attacking avenue when floyd lunges in......easy to get a flash KD this way....


3. floyd's nature is to fight lefties aggressively......something he paid for early against Judah. Pac is not Judah......he can sustain the attack and won't break down mentally....Floyd being agressive plays into Pac's foot and hand speed......the time to be agressive with Pac is off the counter.......not to be the lead aggressor........Floyd would do better to let Pac come to him and when Pac lunges in....step back, then counter.........similar to what Floyd did with JMM.....and what JMM did to Pac.....and then after the counter is landed become aggressive, then back off and reset. It goes against Floyd's nature not tombe aggressive against lefties.



So you see they both pose various problems for each other....but in the end you would think Pac has to finish this early....or hurt floyd badly early or get one big lucky punch.......before Floyd has a chance to figure out the best plan to go with.

[DR.ORGYY]

maybe i'm crazy but i think the old pac that just comes in and throws a million punches is the best to fight floyd.

i don't like his in and out style against floyd to be honest.

i think even if he came in the way he fought against oscar that would give floyd hell.....

[Red_Menace]

and what style is that?

They're all come forward fighters with limited footwork. Diaz, Hatton, Cotto, De La Hoya and Clottey. None of them move particularly well and with the exception of maybe De La Hoya(earlier in his career) and none of them cover up particularly well except Clottey. None of them have the footwork, counter punching (timing) or ring smarts of Marquez. Diaz, Hatton and Cotto are especially easy to hit.

[Kobe B Bryant]

well cause clottey only opened up a few times... mayweather will throw his jab more than clottey therefore he will get countered more with that lead left...

left is fine to try to counter floyd's jab.

either a straight or maybe get low and throw an overhand left up the middle.

right hook won't do at all though imo. except the right hook to the body. i like the idea of going with that right hook to the body.

[Kobe B Bryant]

They're all come forward fighters with limited footwork. Diaz, Hatton, Cotto, De La Hoya and Clottey. None of them move particularly well and with the exception of maybe De La Hoya(earlier in his career) and none of them cover up particularly well except Clottey. None of them have the footwork, counter punching (timing) or ring smarts of Marquez. Diaz, Hatton and Cotto are especially easy to hit.

cotto and delahoya are excellent counterpunchers.

[Kobe B Bryant]

i think even if he came in the way he fought against oscar that would give floyd hell.....

i don't like that style at all for floyd.

there's two ways to beat a taller , longer reach fighter.

1. use speed to go in and out. what he did against delahoya.

2. get inside and stay there. this is what i prefer pac does against floyd.



floyd is a counterpuncher. that's what he's best at.

going in and out will give floyd more opportunities.

[DR.ORGYY]

left is fine to try to counter floyd's jab.

either a straight or maybe get low and throw an overhand left up the middle.

right hook won't do at all though imo. except the right hook to the body. i like the idea of going with that right hook to the body.

also if he does that combo he always throw it will land floyd, the combo im talking about is when pac throws a hard straight left to the body and comes up with a vicious right hook it will land....

[Silencers]

Definitely Mayweather, Pacquiao has more trouble with counterpunchers than Mayweather has with quick southpaws.