Still no real reason why Pac needs to take any tests

[Bee Keepz]

Is Marquez not slower at this weight? Wasn't that the reason this great warrior wanted the fight at 143 and then 147? Or was Pac just trying to help the old man out and didn't want him over stressing to make the 140lb mark? Seriously get the fck out of here with that ****. Lets see how Manny likes it when Marquez asks him to fight at 140, that fool gonna straight out duck the fight and most likely his gonna rematch Bradley before even considering fighting the old man at 140.

They are naturally the same size.

How can you not see this? Nacho knows it, hell even Roger Mayweather knows it.

Broner is the same size as both of these guys right now.

[El Malo.]

does speed really matter though? if you're a good counter puncher you can overcome being the slower guy with timing ..did marquez not prove this in the 3rd and 4th fights?...also did marquez not show incredible power to at least compensate for not being as fast? knocking down pac for the first time in a very long time and knocking pac out cold..last time pac was ko'ed was when he was 21 (i think)...and even then it wasn't that brutal.

Did you even watch the fight or are you just going with what all the Pac-farts are saying? The knockdown was more of a product of Pac being off balance and pulling straight back because he thought Marquez was going for a body shot, he never saw the looping right hand and never has in their previous 3 fights. He wasn't even hurt, the second right hand that Marquez landed right after had more affect on Manny then the knockdown. In round five Marquez landed the same punch that Knocked Pac out. It even turned him sideways and Manny just ate it like a bag of skittles. Even Roy didn't know how Pac took that shot without being stunned or dropped. The knockout had more to do with Pac just being too dam aggressive like always and he never expected Marquez to land such a clean bomb to the doom. Also being slower doesn't help Marquez much either even if he is a great counter puncher. That's not all he relays on, he needs speed and movement to set up all his combinations, in which we have not seen much since he went up to 143. At this weight all he does is trow one or two punches and he has to back up or he gets countered to death.

[Bee Keepz]

WTF are you talking about. Pac was actually using more angles then the previous 3 fights. He was going to try to outpoint Marquez and if the KO came it would have been a plus. But Manny being Manny he just can't help himself but jump in, which usually works with lesser opponents but never against Marquez. Marquez was just trying to shock him with one punch whenever Pac was jumping in. Neither one was expecting a KO it just happened because of Manny being the aggressive beast that he is cant help himself but attack.

If you can't tell that Pacquaio was going for the KO, then I don't know what else to say to you. Even Marquez knew it and said so in his ESPN Deportes interview.

[El Malo.]

They are naturally the same size.

How can you not see this? Nacho knows it, hell even Roger Mayweather knows it.

Broner is the same size as both of these guys right now.

They might be the same size during fight not, but that doesn't mean that's Marquez best fighting weight. Did you not see how slow he is, how he can't put combination punches other then the simple one two punches because his too slow ? How he barely has any body movement at this weight? Just saying

[El Malo.]

If you can't tell that Pacquaio was going for the KO, then I don't know what else to say to you. Even Marquez knew it and said so in his ESPN Deportes interview.

What he was doing was trying to impose his speed on Marquez. By using more angles and doing the simple one two punches it doesn't give Marquez time to counter punch him. The only times Marquez has success at this weight with Manny is when Manny forgets to move. If he comes at him straight forward he gets countered, when he uses angles it doesn't give Marquez time to set up his counters. Conprende amigo? Why do you think Manny was looking like he was actually boxing more then his previous fights? He knew that was a good way to gain points and if he did enough damage he could get Marquez out. And in part if Marquez was down in points Manny knew Marquez would have to take more risks, more risks = better chances Manny would land a bomb on Marquez

[GoldSugar]

c'mon pac got hit with flush shots from a prime marquez at his best weights...but a 39 year old is now able to do hurt him and knock him down effortlessly? add to the fact that naturally bigger guys were able to hit pac flush without him seeing the punch yet pac never went down.

marquez was never really a volume puncher also. he's a counter puncher. he looks for opportunities to counter and he'll throw 1 or 2 punches...if he has you hurt or if you engage him he'll throw more than 1 or 2...this didn't change much when he moved up to ww...

Marquez has never really caught Pac coming in the way he did in round 6.
He landed good lead rights coming forward but never the way he did and the way Pac was coming in so forcefully.

[El Malo.]

c'mon pac got hit with flush shots from a prime marquez at his best weights...but a 39 year old is now able to do hurt him and knock him down effortlessly? add to the fact that naturally bigger guys were able to hit pac flush without him seeing the punch yet pac never went down.

marquez was never really a volume puncher also. he's a counter puncher. he looks for opportunities to counter and he'll throw 1 or 2 punches...if he has you hurt or if you engage him he'll throw more than 1 or 2...this didn't change much when he moved up to ww...

Again your not looking at the knock down the way it went down. Was Manny hurt when he got knock down? Hell no. He never expected Marquez to trow that looping right hand and he just pulled straight back all squared up. Any little punch would have knocked Manny down the way his body was positioned and the way he pulled back.

Marquez doesn't need to be a volume puncher. He sets you up with combination punches and by the time they want to retaliate his ready with his counter punching. That's what makes him dangerous. If you let him attack he eats you up with combinations, if you want to attack he eats you up with counter punches. When he hurts someone he never goes straight forward looking for the Ko, he moves to the sides to trow his opponents off balance goes to the body and finishes to the head. And at this weight he sits more on his punches, he has no choice. If he had a choice he would have rather have more leg and body movement then waiting to capitalize on Pac's mistakes.

[El Malo.]

Marquez has never really caught Pac coming in the way he did in round 6.
He landed good lead rights coming forward but never the way he did and the way Pac was coming in so forcefully.

Exactly, add to the fact that Marquez has no choice but to sit on his punches and trow every dam shot with bad intentions didn't help Pac either. I'm be honest the way Marquez laid Manny out left a bad taste in my mouth. I felt happy for Marquez seeing all his hard work finally pay off, but at the same time seeing Manny out cold just didn't sit well with me.

[El Malo.]

it think it's still pretty incredible the amount of power marquez at 39 was able to show in the fourth fight...it's not so much the KO, but the fact that marquez was able to knockdown pac effortlessly when in their previous fights he landed flush hard shots but pac never went down.

Again your not paying attention on the mistake that Manny made. It had more to do with the way he pulled back and how he squared himself up right before the punch landed. Even Roach told Manny not to pull back like that, he knew that Marquez would knock him down again if he didn't correct that mistake.

[rambov]

I think it's time to stop mentioning PAC with Floyd. This guy has too many losses