Dis Nigg@ Has Mastered Da Game

[etlux]

You gotta keep some perspective.

He only started looking good when Shane stopped punching. Shane looked as gunshy to me as Roy did against Hopkins.

Floyd fought a decent fight, but 38 is 38. When Shane Mosley starts breathing through his mouth in the 4th round, you know he's shot to ****.

You guys can keep overrating wins against shot/small/or old fighters Floyd carefully selects, but boxing fans that know the sport can see the truth.

If that was a prime Mosley he would've stopped Floyd in the 2nd round.



Having said that, I'll go on record to say that if Floyd fights Martinez its a more meaningful and better legacy fight than Pacquiao.

Not only because Martinez is bigger than Pacquiao, but because he's better than Pacquiao.

and martinez considers floyd a better fighter than pacquiao so I guess they're bound to meet in this love fest

[Hannibal Barca]

You gotta keep some perspective.

He only started looking good when Shane stopped punching. Shane looked as gunshy to me as Roy did against Hopkins.

Floyd fought a decent fight, but 38 is 38. When Shane Mosley starts breathing through his mouth in the 4th round, you know he's shot to ****.

You guys can keep overrating wins against shot/small/or old fighters Floyd carefully selects, but boxing fans that know the sport can see the truth.

If that was a prime Mosley he would've stopped Floyd in the 2nd round.



Having said that, I'll go on record to say that if Floyd fights Martinez its a more meaningful and better legacy fight than Pacquiao.

Not only because Martinez is bigger than Pacquiao, but because he's better than Pacquiao.

So his dominance had nothing to do with his superb defensive skills and offensive attack? Perhaps Shane stopped throwing because Floyd closed the windows of opportunity, and countered any and every time Shane opened up.

Floyd's 33, and that 38 year old Mosely was the #1 WW, and P4P #3.

No he wouldn't have. If it were a prime Mosely he would have been brutalized by a prime Mayweather.

[DLT]

Ill say what Ive always said and thats Floyd believes he wouldve beaten all the WW's but there was doubt and the only doubt was size. Again, he thinks Margarito is 10 classes below him in terms of skill and they shouldnt even be in the same ring but the guy was a big monster while Floyd looked like a LW at the time. He wouldve never forgiven himself if he wouldve lost that fight or other fights when he knows he couldve waited. It sucks for us because the times obviously dont intersect.

I wish we could have Floyd now vs those boys back then but that will never be. Still, I think its clear to see that this version would fare alot better in those fights than the guy who fought Baldy & so on. Even in the shutout against Baldy he had to run and get on his bike because physically he was being manhandled. No way Baldy does that against this Floyd and no way Floyd runs from that guy. Its just night & day.

[Dick Buffman]

Ill say what Ive always said and thats Floyd believes he wouldve beaten all the WW's but there was doubt and the only doubt was size. Again, he thinks Margarito is 10 classes below him in terms of skill and they shouldnt even be in the same ring but the guy was a big monster while Floyd looked like a LW at the time. He wouldve never forgiven himself if he wouldve lost that fight or other fights when he knows he couldve waited. It sucks for us because the times obviously dont intersect.

I wish we could have Floyd now vs those boys back then but that will never be. Still, I think its clear to see that this version would fare alot better in those fights than the guy who fought Baldy & so on. Even in the shutout against Baldy he had to run and get on his bike because physically he was being manhandled. No way Baldy does that against this Floyd and no way Floyd runs from that guy. Its just night & day.

Props for keeping a realistic outlook DLT.

I don't mind people that dig Floyd, its the ones that make him seem like Superman and don't consider the variables that piss me the **** off.

[Championart]

You gotta keep some perspective.

He only started looking good when Shane stopped punching. Shane looked as gunshy to me as Roy did against Hopkins.

Floyd fought a decent fight, but 38 is 38. When Shane Mosley starts breathing through his mouth in the 4th round, you know he's shot to ****.

You guys can keep overrating wins against shot/small/or old fighters Floyd carefully selects, but boxing fans that know the sport can see the truth.

If that was a prime Mosley he would've stopped Floyd in the 2nd round.



Having said that, I'll go on record to say that if Floyd fights Martinez its a more meaningful and better legacy fight than Pacquiao.

Not only because Martinez is bigger than Pacquiao, but because he's better than Pacquiao.

You people on here are truly idiots, you think Shane just suddenly decided hey i'm gonna stop throwing punches even though they are working. Just like that B.S excuse with dela hoya suddenly stop using the jab when he was being effective with it. Has it ever occurred to you all that MAYBE just MAYBE Floyd made adjustments and took these tools away from them. Anything to discredit him huh.

[BOLLOCKS]

Seriously... I've offered points and everything.

Having no avatar is just bloody amateur.

[DiegoFuego]

You gotta keep some perspective.

He only started looking good when Shane stopped punching. Shane looked as gunshy to me as Roy did against Hopkins.

Floyd fought a decent fight, but 38 is 38. When Shane Mosley starts breathing through his mouth in the 4th round, you know he's shot to ****.

You guys can keep overrating wins against shot/small/or old fighters Floyd carefully selects, but boxing fans that know the sport can see the truth.

If that was a prime Mosley he would've stopped Floyd in the 2nd round.



Having said that, I'll go on record to say that if Floyd fights Martinez its a more meaningful and better legacy fight than Pacquiao.

Not only because Martinez is bigger than Pacquiao, but because he's better than Pacquiao.

[SOTO]

I have not seeing floyd this sharp. He was light on his feet never got tired and his punches where stronger than mosley's.

[Horus]

As good as Floyd was, he's completely mastered this beatch now. Im not a Floyd homer like some say and those Pac fans who really know me know that because Im like the only Floyd fan who admits that Floyd ducked Cotto, Margarito, and the other big WW's. Horus can say what he want about the money but Floyd ducked them. If you know me though then you know that I never ripped him or thought he should be ripped because of the simple fact of his size. I dont think Floyd was truly scared of them. I think he was worried that he may lose to an inferior guy like Margarito strictly because he was too big for him and he wouldve never forgiven himself for that.

Floyd at that time was coming into the ring at 146 pounds for WW fights and all the other guys were huge strong guys in there 1st division. At that time Floyd had to run & pity pat every fight because he wasnt strong enough. People ripped him and said that the legends would kill him and the current guys would give him hell but I always said that you shouldnt judge him until he grows into the weight. Obviously this wasnt a prime Mosley but Floyd was still clearly very strong and looked 10x better physically than he did in his early WW career. This version of Floyd would easily have fought a prime Margarito, Cotto, and Mosley. There aint no doubt in my mind because he's not worried about them physically. They couldnt just bully him & win on size. He's way stronger & much more filled out now. This Floyd would shutout and probably stop a prime Margarito. This Floyd would dominate and stop the earlier WW Mayweather.

Now he can fight like he did at the lower weights and looks great. If Shane didnt hold all night then Floyd wouldve killed him. Merchant & Steward still hate on Floyd but Floyd is a beast right now. People could make a serious argument previously that a prime Oscar, Shane, & Forrest could beat Floyd and I guess you still somewhat can but this version I think clearly beats them. He's different now. He looked it on 24/7 and I hope he stays for about 5 more fights. Probably wont though. He's mastered that **** right now though. His coordination is unmatched, he's stronger, his speed is as good as ever, more powerful now, and he just has mastered boxing.

If Pac was a righty then it would be a 5th round blowout KO. Pac being a lefty gives him a chance but he will have to either stop Floyd early or hurt him bad enough where it lingers all fight like Forrest did Mosley. Weve seen against Hatton & Shane that Floyd can be caught very early and weve seen against Chop & Zab that Floyd can take 4 rounds to adjust to the Southpaw style but once he gets settled in then he figures you out and its over. Thats why I say that people should stop with the stuff about Oscar giving Floyd trouble and that proves he's not great. It wasnt Oscar. It was Floyd. He just was not comfortable at WW at that time, let along 154. Now he is and he would murder that version of Oscar. Its just night & day.

This fight also put the JMM fight in perspective. I told people that I honestly thought JMM looked good and was the same ole JMM. I think he wouldve given Pac hell that night but Floyd is just a horrible matchup for him

dlt you are my dude, but the facts say Mayweather did not duck MARGARITO, and it is almost a crime to say he ducked cotto...
Fa real my dude... you know you are arguing against facts when you make the argument that he ducked Margarito and especially cotto..

BOB ARUM: "MAYWEATHER would have taken the $8 million to fight MARGARITO."

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=351154&highlight=Arum

HERE ARE THE FACTS in BOB ARUMS own WORDS!!!

This is quotes from a espn article from 2006

Arum said Mayweather preferred to await the outcome of the May 6 Oscar De La Hoya-Ricardo Mayorga fight instead of committing to Margarito because he would prefer to fight De La Hoya.


Many in the sport believe a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight is the biggest fight on the horizon and the only one capable of generating 1 million-plus buys on pay-per-view.

The reason Mayweather opted for the buyout rather than waiting for the May 6 result was because the contract had a limited window for the buyout, one that expired before the De La Hoya fight.

However, Arum said he would have extended the window if Mayweather had asked.

What Arum wouldn't do, he said,was raise the guarantees for other fights outlined in the contract.
($10M Miguel Cotto and $10M Ricky Hatton)

Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=2420382

So the question is, How can BOB ARUM saying from his own mouth that
"Floyd Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito"
be turn into anything other than that.

As we understand the situation today, if you listening to some in the boxing media

• "Mayweather turn down the Margarito fight out of fear."
• "Mayweather ducked Margarito"
• "Mayweather would not even take 8 million to fight Margarito"
• "Mayweather alaways duck Fighters like Margarito,Cotto, etc.."

My question is WHEN and WHERE DID ALL THIS DUCKING START AND WHY DID IT START????

The answer is simple, it started when The boxing media and ignorant decided to run away from the facts and instead create their own reality.
The reality they wanted people to believe was that what Floyd Mayweather has done in his career was in large part based on his cherry picking, and his willingness not to fight fighters like MARGARITO in order to stay undefeated!!!!

I must say, from a effectiveness standpoint it has worked, because no matter what facts I or anybody else could show some of you guys. Alot of you guys will never believe anything other than Mayweather is a ducker and you will used examples like Margarito. When in reality, Mayweather never ducked Margarito. In fact he would have accepted the contract if BOB ARUM would have just guranted $10M for Cotto and $10M for Hatton.
Infact Arum wanted to offer Mayweather less money for Cotto and Hatton rather than Margarito....

What was the logic behind that???

$8M for Margarito but
$7M for Cotto and Hatton????

Add in to the fact if Mayweather would have fought Margarito he would have most likely not fought De la hoya...

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=351154&highlight=Arum