Clottey would be great against mosley than what he did against pac right?

[Calilloyd]

Pacman would lose horribly to Floyd IMO,
and Mosley is lucky if he even gets CLOSE to winning a round against floyd IMO.


and I'm saying Clottey beats Mosley. So, your point is very wrong.

I said most which means it doesn't apply to all. I also highly disagree with your statement that Mosley doesn't come close to winning a round against Mayweather. That's ridiculous. It's a competitive fight. If you're not a part of that group then obviously I wasn't talking about you. And Clottey would never beat Mosley.

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In case you have forgotten Mayorga was much bigger than Mosley. So was Vargas And Mosley knocked both cold. So what do you mean "when has Mosley looked good outside of Collazo and Mayorga? "And unlike Clottey both of those fighters fight to win every round. These triangle theory's don't work anyway. I could just as easily say Clottey stopped trying to win in each fight he faced some adversity. And he would face plenty of against Mosley.

It's not a triangle theory. It's fact - Clottey is better than those versions of Vargas and Mayorga.

I could care less if he knocked them out, guess what, they were struggles. Mosley hasn't looked dominant outside of Collazo and Margi - he's struggled ridiculously in the last 5 years, and with a year long lay off since his last fight, it's the reason he doesn't stand a chance in hell tomorrow night.

Mosley has always appeared stale, especially when countered. It's the 1 thing that's always plagued his career. Once he gets countered, he starts pawing with virtually everything trying to find a way to not get countered.

Clottey IMO wins this fight, just my oppinion. and my arguements are more than sound.

My arguement is Mosley gets stale when he cant find openings, in the last 5 years has been rhythmless, doesn't have a great defense at all, gets countered entirely too easy, looks to clinch too often

Yours is, clottey has lost his big fights, doesn't throw enough punches

I counter that with Mosley doesn't throw at the rate clotteys Losses have thrown at and arguable beat cotto, and he at least WOULD match the 40-60 a round that mosley would be throwing.

It's a very solid arguement, i think people sleep on clottey because he lost to pacman without even trying personally.

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Also.. when the fight is over tomorrow, don't say i didn't tell you so. I hate floyds guts, but as a realist, and looking at shanes terrible performances in recent years, plus the lay off? Shane doesn't stand a chance.

He looked stale against men who fought his fight, stood infront, engaged, were there to be hit. What do you think will happen against a guy who is better on his bike than mosleys lackluster performances were moving foward? (something he likes).

[Calilloyd]

It's not a triangle theory. It's fact - Clottey is better than those versions of Vargas and Mayorga.

I could care less if he knocked them out, guess what, they were struggles. Mosley hasn't looked dominant outside of Collazo and Margi - he's struggled ridiculously in the last 5 years, and with a year long lay off since his last fight, it's the reason he doesn't stand a chance in hell tomorrow night.

Mosley has always appeared stale, especially when countered. It's the 1 thing that's always plagued his career. Once he gets countered, he starts pawing with virtually everything trying to find a way to not get countered.

Clottey IMO wins this fight, just my oppinion. and my arguements are more than sound.

My arguement is Mosley gets stale when he cant find openings, in the last 5 years has been rhythmless, doesn't have a great defense at all, gets countered entirely too easy, looks to clinch too often

Yours is, clottey has lost his big fights, doesn't throw enough punches

I counter that with Mosley doesn't throw at the rate clotteys Losses have thrown at and arguable beat cotto, and he at least WOULD match the 40-60 a round that mosley would be throwing.

It's a very solid arguement, i think people sleep on clottey because he lost to pacman without even trying personally.

It's not about work rate as much as it's about consistency. As well asd the speed and power of Mosley's punches. Mosley would NEVER stop throwing them. I don't know where you get this idea that Mosley has to throw 100 punches a round to beat Clottey. Mosley would be the hardest puncher Clottey has faced IMO and after tasting Mosley power Clottey would clam up and want no more of it based on what I've seen. He would find a way to quit. You focus on Mosley's "struggles more than the fact that Vargas was stopped once and KO'd in the second fight. A fight that Mosley DID dominate. You say "you could not care less if Mosley knocked them out" which explains a lot. You're ignoring the fact that he knocked them out.

[Calilloyd]

It's not a triangle theory. It's fact - Clottey is better than those versions of Vargas and Mayorga.

I could care less if he knocked them out, guess what, they were struggles. Mosley hasn't looked dominant outside of Collazo and Margi - he's struggled ridiculously in the last 5 years, and with a year long lay off since his last fight, it's the reason he doesn't stand a chance in hell tomorrow night.

Mosley has always appeared stale, especially when countered. It's the 1 thing that's always plagued his career. Once he gets countered, he starts pawing with virtually everything trying to find a way to not get countered.

Clottey IMO wins this fight, just my oppinion. and my arguements are more than sound.

My arguement is Mosley gets stale when he cant find openings, in the last 5 years has been rhythmless, doesn't have a great defense at all, gets countered entirely too easy, looks to clinch too often

Yours is, clottey has lost his big fights, doesn't throw enough punches

I counter that with Mosley doesn't throw at the rate clotteys Losses have thrown at and arguable beat cotto, and he at least WOULD match the 40-60 a round that mosley would be throwing.

It's a very solid arguement, i think people sleep on clottey because he lost to pacman without even trying personally.

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Also.. when the fight is over tomorrow, don't say i didn't tell you so. I hate floyds guts, but as a realist, and looking at shanes terrible performances in recent years, plus the lay off? Shane doesn't stand a chance.

He looked stale against men who fought his fight, stood infront, engaged, were there to be hit. What do you think will happen against a guy who is better on his bike than mosleys lackluster performances were moving foward? (something he likes).

Hey if you're right I'll say good call. If you're wrong I hope you are willing to admit it as well.

[Pullcounter]

clottey just doesn't throw enough punches. he's a gatekeeper

I sort of take it back... if clottey is busy with jab, he could win, but then again he doesn't throw enough punches

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It's not about work rate as much as it's about consistency. As well asd the speed and power of Mosley's punches. Mosley would NEVER stop throwing them. I don't know where you get this idea that Mosley has to throw 100 punches a round to beat Clottey. Mosley would be the hardest puncher Clottey has faced IMO and after tasting Mosley power Clottey would clam up and want no more of it based on what I've seen. He would find a way to quit. You focus on Mosley's "struggles more than the fact that Vargas was stopped once and KO'd in the second fight. A fight that Mosley DID dominate. You say "you could not care less if Mosley knocked them out" which explains a lot. You're ignoring the fact that he knocked them out.

I feel liek too much credit may be going to mosleys power and not enough to clotteys ability to block/absorb these punches now. Clottey is mentally weak, he is. He gets very insecure in the ring and it shows. I think mental weakness shows often with mosley as well though (for lack of a better word). Confusion, is probably better

Mosley has a habbit of getting frustrated, or confused, and then LOOKING confused. He fight confused quite often. I think judah has plenty pop with his speed, not mosley of course, but didn't even tickle clottey. Cotto is very powerful, clottey handled it well - with better technique as well than mosley.

I just don't know. I think volume is the kryptonite here for clottey. I don't think he's afraid to throw, i think he's afraid to be hit. So he will not take the risk if there are too many punches coming his way, but he will if there are deecnt breaks in between.

Clottey always leads or leans in with his head, and stares at his opponent before opening up, or coming in with a few jabs then doing the lean in/stare routine. He always makes sure its safe to come out his shell. He'd have those safe spots with mosley, and mosley not having the best defense leads me to believe he'd have much success.

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Hey if you're right I'll say good call. If you're wrong I hope you are willing to admit it as well.

Oh most definitely man. I'm expecting a great showing (from pbf) but would love nothing more than a competitive affair. But just going off recent events, and the lay off, my gut is telling me people will be very disappointed with how how this fight turns out.

The key things Mosley has going for him here is his right hand.. i think he'll try to corner floyd and throw a right to the body/lower back/hip of floyd everything floyd tries to roll. Outside of that, i don't see too much success - unless he fights in a completely different style than we're use to.

here's to hoping

[Pacquiao'd]

*******s never fail at trying to boost up pacs lame oppnents.

unlike pac, mosley would work at breaking down clotteys defense unlikes pac just throwing a billion punches with no adjustments

[intoccabile]

*******s never fail at trying to boost up pacs lame oppnents.

unlike pac, mosley would work at breaking down clotteys defense unlikes pac just throwing a billion punches with no adjustments

Just like he broke down WRights defense, right?

Not hating, just saying, Mosley doesn't exactly break down defenses. he just tries (and struggles) to find ways around them.

[Pacquiao'd]

Just like he broke down WRights defense, right?

Not hating, just saying, Mosley doesn't exactly break down defenses. he just tries (and struggles) to find ways around them.

fail, Winky has a serious offensive game to go with his defense unlike clottey.

so you fail