Ben Roethilisberger and Edwin Valero

[cardinalslugger]

look im not arguing the morality or ethics of their actions. my only question was if anyone could see this as a viable reason or even just one of many reasons as to why what happened actually happened.

[cardinalslugger]

did I come off as being pissed off? haha, my bad. early in the morning still

maybe i just read into it too much. sometimes this internet **** ****s with how im guessing your tone of voice is haha. sorry!

Well, if his motorcycle wreck is keeping him from conducting himself as an adult, then maybe he shouldn't have his ass in night clubs.

Someone needs to teach the dude a lesson. He thinks he's invincible.

i completely agree with this.

[DE100]

Welcome to 2010 where no one is responsible for their actions.

[krispy kreme]

I been said this...

[cardinalslugger]

Welcome to 2010 where no one is responsible for their actions.

theres a big difference between me or you going out and killing some one if everyone around us reports us as responsible, healthy, undamaged human beings. then i know i am responsible. trust me, im sick of people getting off easy and parents showing up at schools when their kid is being a prick. but what bothers me is i think we are pointing our fingers in the wrong direction here.

[DE100]

theres a big difference between me or you going out and killing some one if everyone around us reports us as responsible, healthy, undamaged human beings. then i know i am responsible. trust me, im sick of people getting off easy and parents showing up at schools when their kid is being a prick. but what bothers me is i think we are pointing our fingers in the wrong direction here.

No they will just look deep into our lives and find something wrong, Bingo thats why we really did it. Its not our fault.

[-Antonio-]

No, I am the source because I've heard **** about ben since he came into the NFL from people who lived there and I would always hear stories about ben having sex with some random college chick at a club or or on the stairway in front of people, etc., **** like that.

I don't care enough to google search for articles or browse forums and **** but if you want to spend the time on it you'll find stuff like what I mentioned from years ago.

I understand your point though, and I agree with it 100% I just don't think big ben fits that criteria cuz he's always been an idiot off the field.

My friend hooked up with a chick who swore that she had sex with Big Ben three times two years ago. Swore by it.

[-Antonio-]

Welcome to 2010 where no one is responsible for their actions.

Seriously. Lets just find excuses for all people who abuse or murder women.