What has happend to American heavyweights ?

[Pirao]

You ain't European.

Lol owned.

Agendas, agendas, agendas. :clap:

What is my agenda exactly?

[D-MiZe]

Only Yanks say,

'....pretty damn convincing. '

[Pirao]

Only Yanks say,

'....pretty damn convincing. '

I also loled at Bhopreign saying "thanks for your unbiasness". An alt, maybe?

[PittyPat]

What is my agenda exactly?

To prove that the Klitschkos are utterly infallible and perfect in whatever they do, and that Haye is the antichrist who cannot possibly do anything right. :wnk1:

It's been done to death, man. Having an agenda shows a profound lack of objectivity, which diminishes the credibility of one's posts. You're falling into that unfortunate trap, even though you appear to be a lot calmer and less irrational than most of the pro-Klitschko drones around here.

The really good posters (of which there are too few) are fans of all 3 fighters, and can discuss potential fights between them in an objective and technically-minded manner.

[Pirao]

To prove that the Klitschkos are utterly infallible and perfect in whatever they do, and that Haye is the antichrist who cannot possibly do anything right. :wnk1:

It's been done to death, man. Having an agenda shows a profound lack of objectivity, which diminishes the credibility of one's posts. You're falling into that unfortunate trap, even though you appear to be a lot calmer and less irrational than most of the pro-Klitschko drones around here.

The really good posters (of which there are too few) are fans of all 3 fighters, and can discuss potential fights between them in an objective and technically-minded manner.

I don't think you'll find many posts of mine claiming such a thing, if any. I simply think that the Klitschkos are head and shoulders above the current competition, so obviously I'm not going to say "oh Haye will give them a good fight" to give a false sense of unbiasness, when I think Haye will get starched by either Wlad or Vitali. I don't think Haye is the antichrist either, however the facts are that he pulled out of a fight with Wlad already (for whatever reason), and then instead of facing Vitali, broke negotiations and took the easier route with Valuev.

I don't think I'm lying either when I say that Haye's accomplishments at HW are not very impressive, yes he may have a trinket but he got it by fighting a paper champion, and the only top 10 HW he has faced (said paper champion) he barely outpointed. Chambers, for example, had beaten 3 top 10 HWs before facing Wlad, despite not having a trinket his level of competition was better.

I don't think I need to be a fan of Haye to discuss things unbiasedly. I'm not a Mayweather fan, for example, if anything I'm anti mayweather since I don't like him, but I admit he'll most probably beat Mosley.

[extracurRICular]

This excuse always cracks me up.

No excuse.........it's a fact.....I think these kats could crack some heads....but they chose to play other sports.....