Floyd's resume Vs Paul Williams resume ? who will have the better legacy?

[JBell11]

point is his last five opponents arn't better than floyds, his last opponent was better but many people think he lost that so...

Ok...fair enough.

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The point is Williams has a good resume, just like Mayweather in his own right has a good resume. I just happen to believe that P-williams will eventually have a better resume in the future. Win lose or Draw, is not the point. Martinez winning the Williams fight is irrelavant to the resume argument.





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What up GDS...Does it matter if Margo was "plastered" or not??? Williams beat him when noone else (including Mayweather) wanted any part of him.

ehhhhhhh... how is it not, so by your logic you could fight all the best fighters in the world get knocked out in the 1st round and still have a better resume than any fighter

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What up GDS...Does it matter if Margo was "plastered" or not??? Williams beat him when noone else (including Mayweather) wanted any part of him.

Matters to me. That's not a knock on Williams, it makes his win that much better.

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Matters to me. That's not a knock on Williams, it makes his win that much better.

tbh my feeling is its been since the cintron fight

[JBell11]

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ehhhhhhh... how is it not, so by your logic you could fight all the best fighters in the world get knocked out in the 1st round and still have a better resume than any fighter

Why not??? Whether you get KO'd much like Hatton did in the Pac fight and/or Quintana did in the 2nd fight with Williams means nothing. Resumes (regardless of outcome) is the discussion. You see...my logic is....the INTENT and the agreement between both fighters is what I am referring to. To my earlier point, Hatton gets my full respect going against Tzyu, Mayweather and Pac. Shane Mosely, despite the ??? on steroids has had an impressive resume. One might even say it's BETTER than Floyd.
All of the aforemention fighters have earned their stripes for the fights they've been in. I might not care for Hatton's style, but, you nor I can never take that experience (fight) away from him because it happend, and he endured (win or lose).

[JBell11]

Matters to me. That's not a knock on Williams, it makes his win that much better.

Oh...ok. I thought it was an argument against Williams. My bad!

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Why not??? Whether you get KO'd much like Hatton did in the Pac fight and/or Quintana did in the 2nd fight with Williams means nothing. Resumes (regardless of outcome) is the discussion. You see...my logic is....the INTENT and the agreement between both fighters is what I am referring to. To my earlier point, Hatton gets my full respect going against Tzyu, Mayweather and Pac. Shane Mosely, despite the ??? on steroids has had an impressive resume. One might even say it's BETTER than Floyd.
All of the aforemention fighters have earned their stripes for the fights they've been in. I might not care for Hatton's style, but, you nor I can never take that experience (fight) away from him because it happend, and he endured (win or lose).

well thats fair enough, when i talk about resume i mean the fighters thats been beaten.

[thegonzo]

Floyd

Marquez - No.2 P4P, floyd coming off a 21 month break, a good warm up against a name opponent, it was meant to bulid to a pac fight

Hatton - Undefeated, highly rated opponent at the time, fighting at a more comfortable weight for hatton, many people thought he could win at the time

De la Hoya - Fought him at 154, again another comfortable weight for oscar, past prime but still dangerous as you said many thought he could win

Baldomir- yes limited opponent but everyone was questioning why he wasnt facing the guy who beat judah, i rememeber brian kenny blasting floyd for this so he did and beat him

Judah - this was already organised before he fought baldo, he went through with it anyway still a good fight against a dangerous opponent

Marquez: Some warm-up. Floyd forced Marquez to move up 2 weight classes, and STILL disrespectfully came in 2 lbs over the weight limit. Not only was Floyd at his comfortable weight, he forced Marquez to move up about 10 lbs in weight limit, and he still outweighed him by 4 lbs at the weigh in.

Hatton: Actually Floyd was fighting at his comfortable weight, not Hatton. He forced Hatton to come up to 147 lbs when Hatton's natural weight was 140.

De La Hoya: Only real "sacrifice" Floyd made to win a legit fight. DLH was game, Floyd moved up in weight to fight, but Floyd ran all effin night. I still think DLH won...

Baldomir: Worth ****.

Judah: Worth ****. 4 rd fighter. No heart.

Gatti: Entertaining, but always been a C-class fighter. Been schooled by every decent fighter he met.

So please get your fact straights if defending Mayweather. Tell it like it was.

Lesson of the day: If Mayweather would have just faced a prime Cotto, just like Pacman did, maybe he would have shut most of us up, just like Pacman did. Margarito would have been part of this argument, if it wasn't for his plastered-cheating ways.

[AKATheMack]

Indeed!!!!!!!!!!!! This Williams fans are delusional

Its fighters fans that tend to turn me off of them more so than the fighters themselves. Williams is a tough guy and he seems to be willing to fight anyone and I respect that, but a younger Floyd was an unbelievable fighter. I am disappointed in Floyd for his opponent choice the past few years, but he still has some quality wins. Williams is a good fighter, but I just dont see him as an ATG talent, he can have a good future and be a HOFer, but I dont see him on the level of Mayweather.

[thegonzo]

Paul Williams lost to Sergio Martinez. lol at anybody who thinks that PWILl and FLOYD Mayweather can even be compared.

!!!Laugh all you want at me now!!!:

Martinez can school Mayweather and give him a run for his money. If a shot De la Hoya (standing 5'10") was able to get the best of Mayweather for a few rounds (which was a split decision), what would a Martinez (standing at 5'10") be able to do to him?

Martinez is too quick, too sharp, southpaw, and has some pop to his punches. Martinez was smaller than Pavlik AND Williams, and still got the best of them. He'd be bigger than Floyd, giving him an edge. Williams got the nod against Martinez though, but Williams can also give Mayweather a run for his money.

...and do you know why I think this is all true? Because you will never see Mayweather fight Martinez or Williams.

To Floyd's credit, we are jumping many weight divisions here if we say he would never face these guys. Martinez is a 154 lber though, and Floyd fought DLH at 154... Not impossible, just not plausible. Might as well say Pacman would never fight Vitali.