Floyd finally shows he is JEALOUS of Pac getting the Fighter of the Decade AWARD

[cortdawg25]

oscar was overrated when both fighters fought him. He was done when both fighters fought him what is your point? Hatton was never that good either what is your point?

Floyd never beat anybody as good or as versatile as the first barrera fight... Why don't you talk about that?

Why can't you recognize that he won 3 lineal titles that spanned 4 weight-classes. No other fighter this decade did that. Why don't you talk about that?

And, he won those titles by beating the #1 guy in that weight-class at that time. Why don't you talk about that?

Do not hate to make your point. Pac won it, he deserved it, nothing else you can say...

he was a champion when floyd beat him. Matter of fact he brutally koed the same mayorga that mosley just struggled with. I don't think oscar was quite that done as u claim!

[jrosales13]

2000: Floyd was a champ and defended against a former titlist in Vargas; Pac went 3-0, stopping an undefeated future title challenger in Hussein. Edge = PBF

2001: Corrales was a great win, rated higher in the division and P4P by Ring at the time, and Hernandez and Chavez were both legit contenders, ending a memorable 130 reign which rates with some of the best ever at the weight; Pac had Ledwaba, who was in the hunt as far as being the best Jr. Feather at the time; Sanchez went to a technical draw Sanchez basically fouled his way to. Great year for both but Floyd had three good wins to Manny's one. Edge = PBF

2002: Pac beats a faded former titlist in Julio; Mayweather gets the benefit of the doubt against Castillo but mans up and takes the rematch, winning with a late pull away in another good fight spending the year as Lightweight champ. Edge = PBF

2003: Floyd fights Sosa in a typical, ho-hum type fight after two hard ones; follows with N'Dou, a Jr. Lightweight who was rated tenth at 130 by Ring at the time in another ho-hum outing; Manny routs a future HOFer in Barrera for the Feather crown. Edge = Pac

2004: Pac draws with a future HOFer in Marquez, Floyd fights once against Corley and has a fun win. the fact PAC dropped JMM 3 times in the 1st rd and got a draw is a detraction for me. I understand the point about him being a future HOFer, but I can’t give him the edge in 04 for essentially losing a fight to JMM. Edge = Floyd

2005: Floyd fights three guys in Bruseles, Gatti, and Mitchell; Manny moves to 130, loses a close one to a Morales coming off a great year where he beat Chavez, hernandez, and Barrera. gatti was another title in another division. (Also coupled with the fact hatton defeated tzyu and was unwilling to fight Floyd at the time and cotto wasn’t ready as well.) pacquiao losing to Morales just doesn’t trump Floyd wining against gatti and receiving another belt in another division. Edge = Floyd

2006: Floyd fights Judah off a loss to Baldo and then Baldo for the Welter crown; Pac fights Morales off a loss to Raheem, Larios off a cut loss to Vasquez, and then Morales again. in my eyes beating the former undisputed champ of WW and the lineal champ of WW trumps beating a larios after defeat and an washed up Morales after defeat to raheem. I just don’t see how anyone can give that edge to Pac…that’s crazy to me! Edge = Floyd

2007: Pac wastes time with a fringe Feather contender in Solis and an unneccesary Barrera rematch; Floyd takes on Oscar for a belt at 54 and then knocks out the Jr. Welter champ in hatton. Edge = Floyd

2008: Floyd is off; Pac beats Marquez for the 130 crown in another great, close fight and probably gets too much love for beating Diaz at 135 and an Oscar whose just done. edge Pac.

2009: Floyd comes back and beats a Marquez, Pac beats Hatton and then cotto and becomes a lineal champ I 4 divisons and supposedly his 7th title in 7 weight classes. edge Pac

Wow, this sounds quite familiar... It seems like you putting this out there like you wrote it... But, actually it was Cliff who wrote it...

I'm going to pretend you're serious for a split second and break down the whole decade.

2000: Floyd was a champ and defended against a former titlist in Vargas; Pac went 3-0, stopping an undefeated future title challenger in Hussein. Edge = PBF

2001: Floyd's best year IMO; Corrales was a great win, rated higher in the division and P4P by Ring at the time, and Hernandez and Chavez were both legit contenders, ending a memorable 130 reign which rates with some of the best ever at the weight; Pac had Ledwaba, who was in the hunt as far as being the best Jr. Feather at the time; Sanchez went to a technical draw Sanchez basically fouled his way to. Great year for both but Floyd had three good wins to Manny's one. Edge = PBF

2002: Pac beats a faded former titlist in Julio; Mayweather gets the benefit of the doubt against Castillo (I had him losing by a point) but mans up and takes the rematch, winning with a late pull away in another good fight spending the year as Lightweight champ. Edge = PBF

2003: Floyd fights Sosa in a typical, ho-hum type fight after two hard ones; follows with N'Dou, a Jr. Lightweight who was rated tenth at 130 by Ring at the time in another ho-hum outing; Manny routs a future HOFer in Barrera for the Feather crown. Edge = Pac

2004: Pac draws with a future HOFer in Marquez, dropping him three times to open a classic along with a ho-hum follow up; Floyd fights once against Corley and has a fun win. Edge = Pac

2005: Floyd fights three guys with no chance of winning in Bruseles, Gatti, and Mitchell in the most disappointing year of his career opposition wise, but at least wins a belt off Gatti; Manny moves to 30, loses a close one to a Morales coming off a great year where he beat Chavez, hernandez, and barely lost an ATG fight with Barrera, in a great fight and adds a win along the lines of Floyd's. Edge = Push (Losing a great fight to a great fighter is at least equal to winning three gimmes.)

2006: Floyd fights Judah off a loss to Baldo and then Baldo for the Welter crown; Pac fights Morales off a loss to Raheem, Larios off a cut loss to Vasquez, and then Morales again. The former Olympian Raheem > Baldo; Judah isn't man enough to carry Morales's jock. Morales and Larios, even with wear, were still better fighters than Baldo and drilling Morales into the floor twice is impressive when no one else could ever do it. Edge = Pac

2007: Pac wastes time with a fringe Feather contender in Solis and an unneccesary Barrera rematch; Floyd takes on Oscar for a belt at 54 and then knocks out the Jr. Welter champ. Edge = Floyd

2008: Floyd is off; Pac beats Marquez for the 130 crown in another great, close fight and probably gets too much love for beating a beltholding fringe contender in Diaz at Lightweight and an Oscar whose just done. Still, edge Pac.

2009: Floyd comes back, misses weight, and beats a Marquez who has no business at Welter but is still the reigning Lightweight champ and an acceptable comeback foe; Pac beats Hatton to become the first in history to win four lineal titles and then forces a catch to win a title claim in his seventh division overall against Cotto. Big edge Pac.

So there's not a huge gap and in weighing the decade, Floyd gave it away more than anything in the last two years. If you're "scoring" the ten years, Pac wins 5-4-1. In terms of big wins, they're not that far apart but Pac did things which have never been done before in terms of titles and that's a big aid.

The only difference is that you gave Floyd the edge in some of the years that Cliff gave to Pac...

[cortdawg25]

maybe because that was a whole year after floyd fought them?

right....and oscar was at a weight he hadn't seen in 10 yrs. Pacquiao is a real dominator! A dominator of drugz!!!

[cortdawg25]

wow, this sounds quite familiar... It seems like you putting this out there like you wrote it... But, actually it was cliff who wrote it...



The only difference is that you gave floyd the edge in some of the years that cliff gave to pac...

dull....gave cliff his credit in the other thread. But it's all good though!

[jrosales13]

he was a champion when floyd beat him. Matter of fact he brutally koed the same mayorga that mosley just struggled with. I don't think oscar was quite that done as u claim!

He was ****ing done, and Shane don't gets no credit for beating Mayorga either. And, Shane is not even the same fighter at 154 then what he is at 147. And, Mayorga chin was cracked when he fought after Tito... So don't act like Mayorga was some beast. Oscar done he is record in the past 4yrs proved it, he won a title cuz Mayorga won it form a dude name Picirillo. Lets not act like it was beasty. Lets not make the win better than what it was... That same Oscar got his busted in against feather fisted Forbes. Don't act like he was not done...

[Stromprophet]

That alone lets you know about who's performances were better against the two.

How about anyone who objectively just watched the fights?

I mean, it took 10 rounds of Floyd lighting Hatton up to get a KO. Open all day long and pitter patter Floyd took that long. Manny sent him to the moon in two rounds.

[jrosales13]

I don't understand why some fans overrate the hell out of Oscar... Because, he beat Mayorga? Tito whopped his ass coming off years off layoff, Tito whooped Mayorga when Tito was done... It is not difficult to whoop on Mayorga. Hell a shot to hell Vargas gave Mayorga all he could handle... And, Shane is not the same fighter at 154 then he is at 147. WTF has Shane done at 154 to make him any good at that weight? Because, he beat Oscar and a shot Vargas?

[Stromprophet]

u keep saying 8 hof fights....they were aginst what 3 people. Floyd only need 1 fight to show he better.....pacquaio sucks!!!!

I see my well reasoned logical and cogent sentences are being responded to with...

"Oh yeah!, Well your mamma!"

It was 4 fighters matter of fact.
JMM 2X
MAB 2X
Erik Morales 3X
ODLH 1X

You could possibly count Cotto. Yet to be seen.

[jrosales13]

dull....gave cliff his credit in the other thread. But it's all good though!

Well you should of at least put who Cliff thought edged out the years also...

[Russian Crushin]

2000: Floyd was a champ and defended against a former titlist in Vargas; Pac went 3-0, stopping an undefeated future title challenger in Hussein. Edge = PBF

2001: Corrales was a great win, rated higher in the division and P4P by Ring at the time, and Hernandez and Chavez were both legit contenders, ending a memorable 130 reign which rates with some of the best ever at the weight; Pac had Ledwaba, who was in the hunt as far as being the best Jr. Feather at the time; Sanchez went to a technical draw Sanchez basically fouled his way to. Great year for both but Floyd had three good wins to Manny's one. Edge = PBF

2002: Pac beats a faded former titlist in Julio; Mayweather gets the benefit of the doubt against Castillo but mans up and takes the rematch, winning with a late pull away in another good fight spending the year as Lightweight champ. Edge = PBF

2003: Floyd fights Sosa in a typical, ho-hum type fight after two hard ones; follows with N'Dou, a Jr. Lightweight who was rated tenth at 130 by Ring at the time in another ho-hum outing; Manny routs a future HOFer in Barrera for the Feather crown. Edge = Pac

2004: Pac draws with a future HOFer in Marquez, Floyd fights once against Corley and has a fun win. the fact PAC dropped JMM 3 times in the 1st rd and got a draw is a detraction for me. I understand the point about him being a future HOFer, but I can’t give him the edge in 04 for essentially losing a fight to JMM. Edge = Floyd

2005: Floyd fights three guys in Bruseles, Gatti, and Mitchell; Manny moves to 130, loses a close one to a Morales coming off a great year where he beat Chavez, hernandez, and Barrera. gatti was another title in another division. (Also coupled with the fact hatton defeated tzyu and was unwilling to fight Floyd at the time and cotto wasn’t ready as well.) pacquiao losing to Morales just doesn’t trump Floyd wining against gatti and receiving another belt in another division. Edge = Floyd

2006: Floyd fights Judah off a loss to Baldo and then Baldo for the Welter crown; Pac fights Morales off a loss to Raheem, Larios off a cut loss to Vasquez, and then Morales again. in my eyes beating the former undisputed champ of WW and the lineal champ of WW trumps beating a larios after defeat and an washed up Morales after defeat to raheem. I just don’t see how anyone can give that edge to Pac…that’s crazy to me! Edge = Floyd

2007: Pac wastes time with a fringe Feather contender in Solis and an unneccesary Barrera rematch; Floyd takes on Oscar for a belt at 54 and then knocks out the Jr. Welter champ in hatton. Edge = Floyd

2008: Floyd is off; Pac beats Marquez for the 130 crown in another great, close fight and probably gets too much love for beating Diaz at 135 and an Oscar whose just done. edge Pac.

2009: Floyd comes back and beats a Marquez, Pac beats Hatton and then cotto and becomes a lineal champ I 4 divisons and supposedly his 7th title in 7 weight classes. edge Pac

This is not a ten point scoring system ok.....i mean what if Floyd beat better guys the first 8 yrs and PAC cleaned out the JWW and WW divisions in the last 2 yrs going 15-0? Then he would still be Fighter of the decade