Comments Thread For: Mayweather-Mosley Public Divide Explained in Cinema

[cortdawg25]

that's a nice floyd-fan spin of things, but you're missing the point of the articles.

He didn't go by statistics and surely the fact that mosley went up two weight-divisions to fight a prime-delahoya earns you more credit than moving up one-weight division to fight a past his prime inactive delahoya.

Just saying. Either way he put both points of views in this article as he quoted the overall message from both floyd supporters and critics, so chill.

By the way, good read.

yeah he attempted to be fair, but bias still showed thru. Pacquiao taking on bigger men who so happened to be the same men floyd already destroyed....that's real mcavoyish.


Mosley forgets about becoming linear of 140 for oscar is mcavoyish, but floyd becoming linear at 147 and then getting hoya is simmish...real fair!

[Pretty Boy Greg]

by far best article ive ever read on here... great job BS

[cupocity303]

yeah he attempted to be fair, but bias still showed thru. Pacquiao taking on bigger men who so happened to be the same men floyd already destroyed....that's real mcavoyish.


Mosley forgets about becoming linear of 140 for oscar is mcavoyish, but floyd becoming linear at 147 and then getting hoya is simmish...real fair!

Adding all those little perceptions/opinions that you just laid out would've only complicated the article and made it a mess to read. And that's what it really is, YOUR PERCEPTION. This article was largely about Mosley/Mayweather so sliding the "Pacquiao fought Floyd's leftovers blah" was pointless.

He went by what was the MAJORITY perception about Floyd. Are you denying that the majority of people who follow boxing think of Floyd as a ducker??? Because that's what this article represented. To his credit, he wrote that there are a tiny minority who think of Mosley as a juicer, goody-toe-shoe, fake smiler, but that most think of him as a good guy and a fighter seeking challanges based on him giving Winky & Forrest title shots when he didn't have to. So he tried his best to add everything in.

But point is, he went by the majority perception of the public. Criticising Pacquiao as much as he did Floyd in this article would've been pointless but Extremist Floyd fans fail to see that.


Sidenote: I'm a floyd fan but I don't let that ruin a perfectly good read/article.

[Wukillabeez78]

I think it's funny that people say that Mosley took risks. When Mosley completely passed up competition at 140lbs it was because he was taking risks to go fight Hoya. When Mayweather fought the top ranked fighters and became the unified champ at 147lbs and went up in weight to fight Hoya he was "ducking" the competition.

In recent times Mayweather fought the former Lb4Lb #2 guy Marquez, and the former 140lb & 147lb champ Hatton while he was undefeated. In recent times Mosley fought a good opponent in Margarito, but he also fought Mayorga (a guy who smokes cigs while training) and Luis Collazo (the guy who lost to Ricky Hatton). Double standards anyone??

The only fighter that would have been worth Mosley's time at 140lbs was Kosta Tszyu (as the article indicated, Mosley would have easily defeated the other 140lb champions). You can say Mosley bypassed Tszyu but who did he bypass him for? A prime version of Oscar De La Hoya who was bigger, longer and was the favorite to beat Shane at 147. Who was the bigger threat or more of a challenge to Mosley? You think Tszyu at 140 would have been a more challenging fight for him than De La Hoya was at 147? Yeah right, Mosley didn't duck anybody and clearly took the bigger risk by fighting a prime De La Hoya at a heavier weight than fighting Tszyu who he would have outclassed. You're missing the whole point of the article. No one is dis*****g that Mayweather hasn't fought fighters who were top ranked. The point is he avoided fighting any top ranked fighters who presented the biggest CHALLENGE OR RISK to him.

In recent times Mayweather hasn't done ****. As the article expresses (and as I expressed in this post here http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...03#post8021803 ) Mayweather hasn't been interested in fighting any fighters who pose a real threat to him in quite a while. Marquez is great fighter but he came up 20 lbs in weight to fight Mayweather. How is fighting someone who is naturally 20 lbs lighter a risk? Hatton moved up 7 lbs and stylistically everyone knew he was much to slow to threaten Floyd. Floyd fought him for the money. No name (with the exception of Corrales) on Floyd's resume is as good as these four on Mosley's (prime Vernon Forrest, prime Winky Wright, prime Miguel Cotto and prime Antonio Margarito). Corrales is the last fighter Mayweather fought that was a true threat to him and he has avoided fighting others since then (Margarito, Cotto, etc...)

The article was great though and perfectly captured how many true boxing fans feel about Mayweather. He's very talented but still has proven very little due to the opposition he's chosen to fight in recent years. May 1st is a step in the right direction for him. This segment of the article is the best in my opinion and I've highlighted in red the best points:

"Boxing fans love winners but they love winners that take chances even more. The greatest fighters in the sport’s history have one trait in common: The willingness to accept challenges even if that involves courting defeat.

Watching a top-flight boxer put himself and his reputation on the line against an ambitious challenger is among the most thrilling spectacles the sports world can offer. By fighting Forrest and Wright when none of his fellow elites would earned Mosley his stripes with the public because he put the best interests of boxing and its fans ahead of his own.

Sure, Mosley thought he could win but unlike Mayweather in recent years he didn’t stack the deck to make sure he would win. Like Roy McAvoy, Mosley not only accepted danger but he also went out of his way to seek it. While it is true that McAvoy and Mosley went down in flames from time to time, they also derived the maximum benefit from their successes.

Mayweather, on the other hand, squandered his chance to become his era’s defining fighter the way Sugar Ray Leonard, Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Robinson and Joe Louis had before him. Mayweather had a golden opportunity to create an unassailable case for top-shelf greatness once he rose to welterweight because the talent pool was so deep. For reasons only Mayweather knows for sure, he chose to play the mini-tours and the par-three courses instead of tackling St. Andrews, Pebble Beach and Bethpage Black."

[cortdawg25]

adding all those little perceptions/opinions that you just laid out would've only complicated the article and made it a mess to read. And that's what it really is, your perception. This article was largely about mosley/mayweather so sliding the "pacquiao fought floyd's leftovers blah" was pointless.

He went by what was the majority perception about floyd. Are you denying that the majority of people who follow boxing think of floyd as a ducker??? Because that's what this article represented. To his credit, he wrote that there are a tiny minority who think of mosley as a juicer, goody-toe-shoe, fake smiler, but that most think of him as a good guy and a fighter seeking challanges based on him giving winky & forrest title shots when he didn't have to. So he tried his best to add everything in.

But point is, he went by the majority perception of the public. Criticising pacquiao as much as he did floyd in this article would've been pointless but extremist floyd fans fail to see that.


sidenote: I'm a floyd fan but i don't let that ruin a perfectly good read/article.

that is not just my perception...that is the facts. That happedned, if u disagree...tell me which part!

So if the pacquiao part is pointless why even mention him at all in a mosley/floyd article?

The so-called majority perception of floyd is yours and the author's opinion. That is far from a fact so who is really adding their lil opinions....this whole piece for the most part was an opinion and a slewd one and that.

Sidenote: If your a floyd fan or not doesn't mean this article didn't make an attempt to be fair but come off as bias in certain parts of the article which took some ITS value imo

[cortdawg25]

[QUOTE=Wukillabeez78;8158535]

The only fighter that would have been worth Mosley's time at 140lbs was Kosta Tszyu (as the article indicated, Mosley would have easily defeated the other 140lb champions). You can say Mosley bypassed Tszyu but who did he bypass him for? A prime version of Oscar De La Hoya who was bigger, longer and was the favorite to beat Shane at 147. Who was the bigger threat or more of a challenge to Mosley? You think Tszyu at 140 would have been a more challenging fight for him than De La Hoya was at 147? Yeah right, Mosley didn't duck anybody and clearly took the bigger risk by fighting a prime De La Hoya at a heavier weight than fighting Tszyu who he would have outclassed. You're missing the whole point of the article. No one is dis*****g that Mayweather hasn't fought fighters who were top ranked. The point is he avoided fighting any top ranked fighters who presented the biggest CHALLENGE OR RISK to him. [QUOTE]



I THINK U MISSED HIS POINT. HE WASN'T SAYING MOSLEY SHOULDN'T HAVE FOUGHT DE LA HOYA. WHAT HE IS SAYING IS THAT ON 1 HAND THE AUTHOR IS PRAISING MOSLEY FOR MOVING UP IN WEIGHT AND FIGHTING OSCAR AND ON THE OTHER HAND SEEM TO BE ALMOST CHASTISING FLOYD FOR DOING THE SAME THING.

[tredh]

This article was very good read IMO

[Wukillabeez78]

[QUOTE=cortdawgI THINK U MISSED HIS POINT. HE WASN'T SAYING MOSLEY SHOULDN'T HAVE FOUGHT DE LA HOYA. WHAT HE IS SAYING IS THAT ON 1 HAND THE AUTHOR IS PRAISING MOSLEY FOR MOVING UP IN WEIGHT AND FIGHTING OSCAR AND ON THE OTHER HAND SEEM TO BE ALMOST CHASTISING FLOYD FOR DOING THE SAME THING.[/QUOTE]

I understand what you're saying. However, I feel the author's point is Mosley fought a prime De La Hoya because he presented the BIGGEST CHALLENGE in addition to the monetary reward any fighter reaps from fighting Oscar. Mayweather fought an older, non-prime De La Hoya (De La Hoya was a two to one underdog in the fight against Mayweather) for the money at 154 lbs when there were BIGGER CHALLENGES and greater risks at 147lbs. Mayweather bypassed fights at 147 to fight an aging fighter (Oscar) at 154 and then retired. When he came back he continued to bypass the best at the time (Margarito,Cotto,etc...) and instead chose to fight Ricky Hatton.

Bottom line is Mosley moved up 2 weight classes to fight a prime, challenging fighter (De La Hoya) who was favored to beat him and then continued to fight boxers others avoided and who had physical advantages over him (Vernon Forrest, Winky Wright). Mayweather moved up to fight a non-prime fighter (De La Hoya), retired, came back and moved down in weight and still avoided the most challenging fights out there for him (Cotto/Margarito, etc...)

Mayweather has impressed me by agreeing to fight Mosley (who is still a threat) and hopefully he will continue to fight challenging fights after this (Paul Williams, Pacquiao if they can agree to terms and other young, prime fighters like Bradley, Alexander, etc...). If he fights opposition like this and continues to win then he'd definitely be considered an ATG.

[jtiger78]

good read im ready for the fight though tired of reading articles and opinions but noe the less great article

[Horus]

this article has too many half-truths for me.