Ortiz-Campbell: A smell another Maidana incident coming

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A savage beating? That fight was close, he quit in a fight that was close because he hurt Maidana except Maidana isn't no quitter!

I disagree with your sir on alot of things especially with this, I personally feel Ortiz could have changed the fight around since both fighters had their moments. The lack of heart showed in that fight.

The fight was close but that doesn't mean that victor wasn't the one who was worse for ware. If anything it goes to show how big of a puncher Maidana is especially since victor himself is a murderous puncher his damn self.

Again this lack of heart you keep talking about is the type of heart that very few fighter posess the only diffrence is that Victor was honest about it which more fighters should be and maybe they wouldn't die in the ring like the 3 that have died this very year. When your expectations are to have every fighter to have the heart of Arturo Gatti your gonna find that 99% of them don't but that doesn't mean they have no heart at all it just means their human. At times Arturo gatti wasn't human and that what made him special.


I mean victor got knocked down three times in that fight. How often do fighters get back up from 3 knock down to come back and win a fight? It's a stretch to say the least!

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Another point here. Like you say, not everyone can be like Gatti. There are different levels of mental and physical toughness. I believe Campbell is tougher than Ortiz, which is why I think Campbell may be able to beat Ortiz.

Nevermmind he was ripped up on this board because he got cut from a head butt and chose not to continue because he knew he was at a major disadvantage. I also defended him because he was right, why is he gonna fight half blind? It was obviously a butt yet people still called him a qutter. why? because of the fans who showed up? *** them ****t happens! If you want predetermined outcomes watch WWE for that, real boxers are just not capable of fighting thru that kind of adversity thats why so few of them do. And the ones who do live up to these ungodly expectations of toughness often times either die in the ring or end up punch drunk morons.


Sorrry but your 59.99$ just doesn't entitle you to that.

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Nevermmind he was ripped up on this board because he got cut from a head butt and chose not to continue because he knew he was at a major disadvantage. I also defended him because he was right, why is he gonna fight half blind? It was obviously a butt yet people still called him a qutter. why? because of the fans who showed up? *** them ****t happens! If you want predetermined outcomes watch WWE for that, real boxers are just not capable of fighting thru that kind of adversity thats why so few of them do. And the ones who do live up to these ungodly expectations of toughness often times either die in the ring or end up punch drunk morons.

I agree with the premise of your post, however it bears repeating that it was NOT the cut that was the issue. The headbutt (unintentional foul) caused an internal injury to Nate's eye that affected his eyesight. The cut really didnt play a part at all. Nate has been cut plenty of times. He even had a worse cut in the Diaz fight. Cuts dont really bother him. Even in the 2nd Peden fight he had 3 or 4 really bad cuts from headbutts, and still kept fighting until the horse**** Australian referee kept calling the doctor up to get it stopped. But an internal eye injury is a different matter alltogether, and thats what happened in the Bradley fight. People who say that Nate quit because he thought he was losing are just ******ed. Even in the corner after round 2 Nate thought it was 1-1 in rounds. Then 30 seconds into round 3 the headbutt happens. The bottom line is that the fight never had the chance to develop, yet there are plenty of people who seem to know exactly how the next 10 rounds would have played out if not for the butt.......lol

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Victor Ortiz is clearly athletically and technically gifted, but we saw against Maidana, that mentally he may not have what it takes.

Believe it or not, after his last win, I posted on here that I thought Ortiz would probably be beat again if he faced someone with a good chin and toughness again. I offered Nate Campbell as a prime example.

Campbell, like he did to Juan Diaz, could possibly be too tough for Victor. When Ortiz gets into the mid to late rounds and Campbell is still pressing him, will he wilt again?

My guess is yes. The x factor - "is Nate Campbell the same fighter now, as he was against Diaz?"

WASSUP dan....

i know what u mean.. but i got to pick ortiz over nate.....

even that ortiz was mauled by maidana... that doesnt change fact that he almost koed maidana first... and he was doing good until he let his macho ego took over his game plan....

if ortiz would have stick to his game plan. .and choose to pick up his shots and not waiste and burn him self in a toe to toe war with marcos... the history would have been different...

i know that nate is a strong fighter.. but i beleive that ortiz would be too strong for nate just like timothy bradley was...

I like victor ortiz over nate campbell....

battle of the quitters..

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WASSUP dan....

i know what u mean.. but i got to pick ortiz over nate.....

even that ortiz was mauled by maidana... that doesnt change fact that he almost koed maidana first... and he was doing good until he let his macho ego took over his game plan....

if ortiz would have stick to his game plan. .and choose to pick up his shots and not waiste and burn him self in a toe to toe war with marcos... the history would have been different...

i know that nate is a strong fighter.. but i beleive that ortiz would be too strong for nate just like timothy bradley was...

I like victor ortiz over nate campbell....

battle of the quitters..

mel, what's up?

Even though I created this thread and view Campbell as someone who can outman Ortiz, I agree that Ortiz should be the favorite and should win.

But then again, he SHOULD have been able to beat Maidana too.

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I doubt it. Nate is getting old. He's going to get hit by a Victor bomb and likely realize that he doesn't want this as a career anymore. lol

Just kidding. I see the original thread starter's point.

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mel, what's up?

Even though I created this thread and view Campbell as someone who can outman Ortiz, I agree that Ortiz should be the favorite and should win.

But then again, he SHOULD have been able to beat Maidana too.

yeah... but remember.. it was ... first time victor was in the spotlight like that...... they even got that hbo history and all that. .he went inthere thinking that he was going to steam roll marcos.. feelling just way superior than him and underestimate him... for me it was just that... he made a very simple but common HUGHE mistake with marcos and pay the price.....

I doubt it. Nate is getting old. He's going to get hit by a Victor bomb and likely realize that he doesn't want this as a career anymore. lol

Just kidding. I see the original thread starter's point.

^^^ every single word of this post co-sign!!

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on another aspect. .i think nate is a blown up jr welter weight.. hes @ 140 cos hes old .. and is just way too hard for him to fight @ 135 cos he cant make the weight..

but his frame aint build for 140.... hes a blown up jr WW

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Victor Ortiz is clearly athletically and technically gifted, but we saw against Maidana, that mentally he may not have what it takes.

Believe it or not, after his last win, I posted on here that I thought Ortiz would probably be beat again if he faced someone with a good chin and toughness again. I offered Nate Campbell as a prime example.

Campbell, like he did to Juan Diaz, could possibly be too tough for Victor. When Ortiz gets into the mid to late rounds and Campbell is still pressing him, will he wilt again?

My guess is yes. The x factor - "is Nate Campbell the same fighter now, as he was against Diaz?"

campbell doesn't have the power of maidana to make ortiz quit. but if the best version of nate shows up, ortiz will lose.

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campbell doesn't have the power of maidana to make ortiz quit. but if the best version of nate shows up, ortiz will lose.

unless he have a Time Machine and the fight is @ 135 I dont see that happening.