Comments Thread For: Edwin Valero's Final Hours Disclosed By Carabobo Police

[etlux]

I'm sorry but if I knew my wife was just brutally murdered, and I knew I was innocent there's no way I'd request to be put with other inmates because "I'm lonely and want to talk to someone" I'd be so ashamed as to be left alone etc. This is further evidence to me that Valero obviously killed his wife

[OnePunch]

that is exactly why I said they kept it close, it could happen being that the people involved in that government are way more corrupt, the laws and regulations out there are much different than here it is much worse out there, it could even be narrowed down to 2 people as Valero pointed out when he spoke about the man and woman giving his wife su****ious looks, not him but his wife, the same wife who was an attempt murder victim to 2 unidentified people a year prior, see I wouldn't be thinking this if her life wasn't already attempted to be taken and it wasn't like she was walking down the street and caught a stray to the leg, no they drove past her house specifically and shot at her, someone had it in for her already and that fact is just not letting me believe all I'm seeing..

offline I must admit I am the kind of person that will always question something so I understand this perception of my theory may be built off that notion but logically it adds up too, I think about it from the mindset of someone who wanted to set him up, if I know he's always drunk or if he's drunk right now I'm going to wait until he's not on point to get him.. if someone wasn't already after her head I wouldn't think any of anything I have said on here these past few days regarding Valero but even what Valero said was almost too carefully put together, like maybe it's not put together maybe that's what really happened, think about it though did Valero ever say he was full blown guilty? did they find the actual knife? or did they just arrest him, keep him away from everyone, kept him silent, took him to the back at night and offed him?

if he did kill his wife and himself then prove it true genetically, find the weapon and trace the prints and actually have something on him besides him not being sure whether he did it or not and them not even finding a murder weapon, if they can successfully do that I'll drop my thoughts on it but the proof he did it hasn't been established, this is a murder we can't just assume he did it because he's violent and crazy nor because he beat her, if you're trying to be fair on things you'd say just because he's been abusive doesn't mean he killed her nor does it warrant them to just pin the murder on him and not do a full investigation which something tells me they wont do..

I would agree that a full investigation needs to be completed, if for nothing else to quash speculation and conspiracy theories. Valero was likely no mastermind either, so one would suspect that the crime scene had plenty of physical evidence.

The problem though is that no matter what they find, it still will not satisfy those who choose not to believe it. If they came out tomorrow with a report that said they found the bloody knife with his prints on it in the hotel room, there are still those that would say "well its a corrupt govt. so they probably planted the knife and prints". There are still people who believe the US govt planned and executed the 9-11 attack for crying out loud. They point to all these little things and try to connect the dots, yet are notably silent when asked for evidence or motive. lol.

[Lorily]

my whole point about the shooting was not that it happened but how it happened, 2 gunmen rode up to where she lives to where she resides and from a distance shot at her only catching her leg, it was a quick hit and run obviously but one that went wrong and they didn't get her but they knew who they wanted to kill if they rode past her home to shoot at her, they might have just caught her leg but that don't mean they wasn't trying to kill her, it wasn't just some quick drive by it was 2 gunmen on a bike riding past her home and shooting her, check out this quote..

http://newsnidea.com/33152/jennifer-viera-biography-wiki-edwin-valero-wife-jennifer-carolina-viera-de-valero-photos-kids-pictures/

"Last September Jennifer was shot in her leg when two suspects on a motorcycle rode in front of her house, the bullet got in her left thigh and got out on the inner part of her ankle, she also showed an injury on her peroneal muscle, laceration on her thorax and cut on her lips."

..They knew exactly who they wanted and the intention was to kill but from a distance on a mobile vehicle it's very possible to hit someone only 1 time if not even at all but the intention was clear. they had it in for her and maybe even more so now being that they ****ed up the 1st time.

I'm not just some crazy guy man I have logical reasons to believe what I believe, I think even a government so powerful like the Venezuelan government has to be careful in their steps, a conspiracy is a multiple step process that has a lot of things happening too quick to see it coming. doing it this way there is no demand from the people for more thorough investigation therefore it takes the heat off them. Valero himself was screaming conspiracy until they shut him up.

think on it like this, she was stabbed 3 times according to Valero while he was unconscious from the high volumes of drugs he took, well if it's correct what he said and people were following him and if people truly did give his wife those uncomfortable looks and vibes at the hotel shortly before she's stabbed to death is it completely out of the possibility that they waited until he was out, come in and close her mouth, stab her to death and he wakes up in the middle of the mess? it's possible being that 2 gunmen already wanted her dead, people wanted her dead specifically already

I get that you're trying to see both sides of the situation here sir. To say that the conspiracy goes to such deep and incredible lengths to kill Valeros wife, set him up, and then according to the same line of thought murder him in his jail cell, however, seems like a stretch of the imagination by maximum proportions. Lets look at the shooting incident of Jennifer... you don't have to be a forensic expert to know the facts don't add up in the reports of the shooting. If she was shot in the thigh (above the knee, obviously) and the bullet came out and landed in the inside of the ankle, the bullet would've had to be going in a downward projection and from somewhere above the angle of a drive-by stance. Factor in the fact that "she also showed an injury on her peroneal muscle, laceration on her throat and cut on her lips", she didn't get those injuries from being shot in the leg.
Looking at the theory that Valero was murdered in jail, even that seems very unrealistic. Do you know how hard it would be to hang someone? Not just an ordinary man, but a fighter and a beast (inside and outside of the ring) with 27 wins and 27 knock outs. It would have taken multiple men no doubt, they would've had to have taken off his sweat pants and controlled him enough to lift him up to hang him... all while not having any cuts or brusing on him (as evident by the photo of his death) from fighting back. Realistically, if someone was trying to murder him (and taking his PANTS off) he would have fought like a mad man.
It's always good to see two sides of the story. I just think in this case, what you are saying is just to far fetched to be believable.

[crillz]

You're the same guy who yesterday was gong on a rant defending Valero, talking about some nonsense about how posters on boxingscene can get drunk too but not kill their wife, just themselves.....blah, whatever that meant.

You are determined to defend/excuse this guy and this new story just added a little extra fuel to your agenda.

I never once met Edwin Valero nor his family, I have no personal connection nor anything to gain I'm just simply stating my opinion, I said what I said and you took offense for whatever reason. I said that comment to make the point that many people pass out from hard drugs and alcohol combined and they don't do some crazy **** like that even if they are known to be violent..

by him being all messed up and passing out people automatically assume he did it while passed out but that is an assumption, my point was many people even on here black out, many are violent and not everyone ended up in some **** like that, something definitely happened but my point was that whatever something it was that happened has to be proven and not assumed based on what the man is known for and a set time line of events with no concrete, DNA proof that it was him..

I may have come out hostile in that post but my intention was to get people off their high horse, everyone is so quick to condemn and wish him suffering when all the facts haven't even been laid out yet, all we know is what's being said but no official investigation is taking place. for example, An-Phony-o Plastercheato, I maintained the argument that he was a clean fighter until it was PROVEN he attempted to cheat, they said he cheated and I didn't want to believe that until they gave me no choice by PROVING it..

Hopefully this post doesn't outlast your attention span..

[cupocity303]

I never once met Edwin Valero nor his family, I have no personal connection nor anything to gain I'm just simply stating my opinion, I said what I said and you took offense for whatever reason. I said that comment to make the point that many people pass out from hard drugs and alcohol combined and they don't do some crazy **** like that even if they are known to be violent..

by him being all messed up and passing out people automatically assume he did it while passed out but that is an assumption, my point was many people even on here black out, many are violent and not everyone ended up in some **** like that, something definitely happened but my point was that whatever something it was that happened has to be proven and not assumed based on what the man is known for and a set time line of events with no concrete, DNA proof that it was him..

I may have come out hostile in that post but my intention was to get people off their high horse, everyone is so quick to condemn and wish him suffering when all the facts haven't even been laid out yet, all we know is what's being said but no official investigation is taking place. for example, An-Phony-o Plastercheato, I maintained the argument that he was a clean fighter until it was PROVEN he attempted to cheat, they said he cheated and I didn't want to believe that until they gave me no choice by PROVING it..

Hopefully this post doesn't outlast your attention span..

The problem is, you won't except any new evidence that proofs that he did in fact kill his wife. Sure you'll take the evidence that suggests that he is innocent but if they present anything to the contrary, you'll simply dismiss it as a cover up (I.E. they planted the murder weapon in his hand while he was passed out to get his prints). You'll cherry pick any new "evidence", sources, articles that support your agenda.

Hence why you are a determined conspiracy theorist who won't let this go, no matter what.

[Dempsey52]

waste of a f*&^&n talent.

Valero is gonna be one of those "what couldve been" boxing types kinda like Salvador Sanchez. But what he did to his wife will tarnish his "small" legacy forever. I dont respect a man that beats (from the past times) and then kills his wife. I did like watching him fight but I lost all respect for this man.

[crillz]

I would agree that a full investigation needs to be completed, if for nothing else to quash speculation and conspiracy theories. Valero was likely no mastermind either, so one would suspect that the crime scene had plenty of physical evidence.

The problem though is that no matter what they find, it still will not satisfy those who choose not to believe it. If they came out tomorrow with a report that said they found the bloody knife with his prints on it in the hotel room, there are still those that would say "well its a corrupt govt. so they probably planted the knife and prints". There are still people who believe the US govt planned and executed the 9-11 attack for crying out loud. They point to all these little things and try to connect the dots, yet are notably silent when asked for evidence or motive. lol.

I can only talk for myself when I say this but a thorough investigation would change my opinion, I hear what you saying but I'm not too hard to level with, concrete evidence would make it so there is no other argument but in this case there isn't any, therefore there is an argument..

we all know Bush is a ****in bastard, he ****ed us all over and the only real reason he wanted Saddam was to avenge his Father. do you know why people say 9/11 was set up and known about all along? because of the structural collapse of the building. the way the airplanes flew into the buildings wasn't enough to bring it down in such a way, there was even a building that went down without being hit man that's a ****in hard pill to swallow..

this isn't about 9/11 though and if they DO come out with an investigation I'd be the first to say I was wrong with my opinion, there is no pride at stake on here for me I have nothing to gain from this I'm just speaking my opinion, if I'm wrong then **** it I'm wrong but I came up with my own theories based on my own opinions gathered from different facts it's not like I heard what someone else has to say and jumped on their wagon, people can be wrong as I can very well be but people can also be right too, until they PROVE it then there is room enough for me to assume I'm right too

[GT-R]

valeros bi-polar?

[Slyboots]

I can't believe some people are actually buying into this conspiracy crap. You guys are as delusional as Valero was. This is nuthuggery at its finest.

[crillz]

I get that you're trying to see both sides of the situation here sir. To say that the conspiracy goes to such deep and incredible lengths to kill Valeros wife, set him up, and then according to the same line of thought murder him in his jail cell, however, seems like a stretch of the imagination by maximum proportions. Lets look at the shooting incident of Jennifer... you don't have to be a forensic expert to know the facts don't add up in the reports of the shooting. If she was shot in the thigh (above the knee, obviously) and the bullet came out and landed in the inside of the ankle, the bullet would've had to be going in a downward projection and from somewhere above the angle of a drive-by stance. Factor in the fact that "she also showed an injury on her peroneal muscle, laceration on her throat and cut on her lips", she didn't get those injuries from being shot in the leg.
Looking at the theory that Valero was murdered in jail, even that seems very unrealistic. Do you know how hard it would be to hang someone? Not just an ordinary man, but a fighter and a beast (inside and outside of the ring) with 27 wins and 27 knock outs. It would have taken multiple men no doubt, they would've had to have taken off his sweat pants and controlled him enough to lift him up to hang him... all while not having any cuts or brusing on him (as evident by the photo of his death) from fighting back. Realistically, if someone was trying to murder him (and taking his PANTS off) he would have fought like a mad man.
It's always good to see two sides of the story. I just think in this case, what you are saying is just to far fetched to be believable.

that's true, see man it's not a thing about negating opinions and overruling yours to establish my own, we each have our opinions and we both have good reasons, PROOF however would override of our "opinions" and give us FACTS which is what I seek, the facts so far are he never actually admitted to killing his wife he just acknowledged the possibility of it, this is not an admission of guilt here. all I want is facts, as a matter of fact I think I'll be silent about this until the facts come out, it's honestly pointless because the only one who will tell us the real truth is time..