Comments Thread For: Edwin Valero's Final Hours Disclosed By Carabobo Police

[The Great Shark]

This story just keeps getting crazier.

[etlux]

This story just keeps getting crazier.

no it's not. it's been the same story since the beginning.

[crillz]

regarding the shooting incident. to my knowledge someone on a motorcycle drove by and shot once and it hit his wife in the leg. Don't you think if this all powerful government that's capable of orchestrating all sorts of things as you claim, if they wanted her dead they would have easily killed her long ago? Do you really think this all powerful government would send some sort of incompetent motorcycle drive by hero that shot once and missed, hitting her in the leg? Come on man. That incident could have been anything. It's south america people get drive-by'd and shot there all the time.

Plus that was a year ago, if they really did want her dead and somehow missed don't you think they would have soon after finished the job?

And now this whole incident: tell me what makes most sense to you.

1. someone was chasing him and Valero felt his life was in danger so the logical thing he did next was TO START DRINKING AND DOING DRUGS??

If you're in a car and someone is chasing you who you think is going to kill you, would you suddenly start drinking vodka and snorting coke?? WTF?? That makes no sense whatsoever. I'd want to be as clear minded as possible in eluding them and hopefully contacting proper authorities.

2. Or does this make more sense: Valero has been recently losing his mind more and more as attested to by everyone from his relatives, to the relatives of his wife, to his own manager. He was under heavy influence of drugs and alcohol through admitted binge drinking all day and night long, and he was obviously starting to have hallucinations and mania in the form of 'fear of persecution' and delusions of persecution/grandeur where people think that someone is after them to kill them, etc. In his hallucination, he killed his wife and when he finally came to, and realized what he did, he offed himself.

my whole point about the shooting was not that it happened but how it happened, 2 gunmen rode up to where she lives to where she resides and from a distance shot at her only catching her leg, it was a quick hit and run obviously but one that went wrong and they didn't get her but they knew who they wanted to kill if they rode past her home to shoot at her, they might have just caught her leg but that don't mean they wasn't trying to kill her, it wasn't just some quick drive by it was 2 gunmen on a bike riding past her home and shooting her, check out this quote..

http://newsnidea.com/33152/jennifer-viera-biography-wiki-edwin-valero-wife-jennifer-carolina-viera-de-valero-photos-kids-pictures/

"Last September Jennifer was shot in her leg when two suspects on a motorcycle rode in front of her house, the bullet got in her left thigh and got out on the inner part of her ankle, she also showed an injury on her peroneal muscle, laceration on her thorax and cut on her lips."

..They knew exactly who they wanted and the intention was to kill but from a distance on a mobile vehicle it's very possible to hit someone only 1 time if not even at all but the intention was clear. they had it in for her and maybe even more so now being that they ****ed up the 1st time.

I'm not just some crazy guy man I have logical reasons to believe what I believe, I think even a government so powerful like the Venezuelan government has to be careful in their steps, a conspiracy is a multiple step process that has a lot of things happening too quick to see it coming. doing it this way there is no demand from the people for more thorough investigation therefore it takes the heat off them. Valero himself was screaming conspiracy until they shut him up.

think on it like this, she was stabbed 3 times according to Valero while he was unconscious from the high volumes of drugs he took, well if it's correct what he said and people were following him and if people truly did give his wife those uncomfortable looks and vibes at the hotel shortly before she's stabbed to death is it completely out of the possibility that they waited until he was out, come in and close her mouth, stab her to death and he wakes up in the middle of the mess? it's possible being that 2 gunmen already wanted her dead, people wanted her dead specifically already

[crillz]

I want to kill you.

why? what is wrong with a different perspective? I'd understand if I was kicking crap but I'm actually backing my claims up with very valid thoughts

[OnePunch]

I gotta ask a simple question to the "conspiracy" buffs around here.

Ok, if this is a big conspiracy and the cops are in on it, uhmmmm, then why would they be putting out all the Valero "conspiracy" stories? Why wouldnt they just say "he confessed" and be done with it? Who could disagree? Why draw attention to the issue?

And also just because that cellblock was one man cells, that doesnt mean he wasnt in general population. Not every prison in the world uses the common US model of dormitory style housing. Just because you are in a block of one man cells, that doesnt mean you are in isolation. You can still talk to your neighbor.

[crillz]

I gotta ask a simple question to the "conspiracy" buffs around here.

Ok, if this is a big conspiracy and the cops are in on it, uhmmmm, then why would they be putting out all the Valero "conspiracy" stories? Why wouldnt they just say "he confessed" and be done with it? Who could disagree? Why draw attention to the issue?

And also just because that cellblock was one man cells, that doesnt mean he wasnt in general population. Not every prison in the world uses the common US model of dormitory style housing. Just because you are in a block of one man cells, that doesnt mean you are in isolation. You can still talk to your neighbor.

maybe but maybe not, see the same way you can say things how you're saying them I can say the exact opposite and still be just as credible as you because none of us know for sure how those cells looked, none of us can say what really happened only what we think. IMO to be able to shut him up to that extent where they could just "say he confessed" they'd need EVERY single person in their government to be down with it and that is simply unrealistic..

of course he was surrounded by a lot of people who weren't down with it too and he might have publicly said **** around them but it was all tossed to the side as craziness anyway by the public who already deemed him a monster, there had to be a select few who was down with it, everyone couldn't have known about it because it would fail, only those involved and with the interests of them both dying would be involved, anyone else gonna do they job and report what they hear, they can't control EVERY single press release but the story HAS changed a good amount since when we first found out about it..

think about it like this if he actually WAS telling the truth you wouldn't believe him anyway because you already think he was a monster, it would be over for him before he even starts because knowing what we know of him to the general public he is instantly guilty

[SoldierWarrior]

why? what is wrong with a different perspective? I'd understand if I was kicking crap but I'm actually backing my claims up with very valid thoughts

You're fighting a cause that shouldn't be fought, Gatti's situation looks more like it was murder. This situation just looks like some guy who had drug problems and was a bit on the mental side to begin with or so his family on both sides have said.

[duasto]

From Pacquiao and Koncz

“He thought about the possibility of a conspiracy,” said Koncz of Pacquiao.

“Someone might have gotten back at Valero. If police authorities felt that Valero could be a danger even to himself, they should have stripped him down to his briefs inside his cell or put on a straight jacket on him,” he added.

“They do that in the United States. Venezuelan authorities should have placed Valero under suicidal watch,” said Pacquiao’s Canadian adviser when asked how Pacquiao felt about the death of his potential opponent.

[crillz]

You're fighting a cause that shouldn't be fought, Gatti's situation looks more like it was murder. This situation just looks like some guy who had drug problems and was a bit on the mental side to begin with or so his family on both sides have said.

I'm not saying he was all there mentally but if what he said was true then this is bigger than him this is dirt on a lot of other unidentified people who has more than enough of a reason to want to shut him up and keep him quiet. see my whole thing is they already tried to kill his wife..

if I wanted to set you up I would use your dirt against you, I would put you in a position to make it seem like you did something you didn't do, if what I'm accusing you of goes hand in hand to what you're already known for it's that much harder on you to not only clear your name but expose the truth, everyone would already shut you up before you even open your mouth..

if you're a thief and I planted someone else valuables in your pocket and made it so that the person found you with the item on you he's gonna think you did it with no intention of hearing anything you got to say, you'd take the heat for the **** I did, it'd take proof but how would Valero give proof or tell his story if he's dead?

[OnePunch]

maybe but maybe not, see the same way you can say things how you're saying them I can say the exact opposite and still be just as credible as you because none of us know for sure how those cells looked, none of us can say what really happened only what we think. IMO to be able to shut him up to that extent where they could just "say he confessed" they'd need EVERY single person in their government to be down with it and that is simply unrealistic..

of course he was surrounded by a lot of people who weren't down with it too and he might have publicly said **** around them but it was all tossed to the side as craziness anyway by the public who already deemed him a monster, there had to be a select few who was down with it, everyone couldn't have known about it because it would fail, only those involved and with the interests of them both dying would be involved, anyone else gonna do they job and report what they hear, they can't control EVERY single press release but the story HAS changed a good amount since when we first found out about it..

think about it like this if he actually WAS telling the truth you wouldn't believe him anyway because you already think he was a monster, it would be over for him before he even starts because knowing what we know of him to the general public he is instantly guilty

What you're doing is like the guy who catches his girl in the sack with another dude but finds 15 different ways to explain it away.

You also cant rule out the possibility that Martians were following him around in their UFO, and they killed Jennifer and then Edwin to transport their souls to their home planet to repopulate it before Earth's eventual demise. Does that make it as valid a possibility as your conspiracy theory?

The most logical theory is typically the correct one 99% of the time. He got wasted, and with his drunken paranoia maybe he thought his wife was a spy, an assassin, or a ***in grizzly bear or something, and he killed her. Then when he sobered up and realized what he had done, he iced himself rather than to face his children.

If you have a more logical theory, I'd love to hear it....................