Question for Sugar Ray Leonard haters..

[oldgringo]

This post is quite accurate.....which makes me wonder how many of those who hate Ray Leonard could manage to like Oscar DeLaHoya.
Oscar was/is even more of a ***** than Ray outside of the ring...while only being about 1/10 the fighter Ray was, inside of it.
Just wondering..........

I hate him for never giving Quartey a rematch. I thought, although it was close, that Quartey beat him in that fight and thought that there should have been an immediate rematch. I guess there were bigger fish to fry with Oba Carr though

[jabsRstiff]

I hate him for never giving Quartey a rematch. I thought, although it was close, that Quartey beat him in that fight and thought that there should have been an immediate rematch. I guess there were bigger fish to fry with Oba Carr though

But...Thank God Oscar, the warrior he is, gave that rematch to Julio Cesar Chavez...because "Chavez wouldn't admit I really KO'd kim the first time."

[Riptor]

Like many of you have already stated Sugar Ray Leonard was yesteryears "Golden Boy" Much like De La Hoya he used tow in fights simply due to the fact that he was americas hero. He was polished, non-threatening and completely conformed to white americas expectations. He also won fights because many of his fans wore high heels. He used the same tactics that de la hoya did to win fights. He would flurry in the last few seconds and win the match, even though he would be getting the snot knocked out of himself for the rest of the round. Secondly he would usually only fight people when the deck was completely stacked in his favor, other time he just would completely avoid people altogether. (notice he never fought Aaron Pryor? or Allxis Arguello). Look how long he waited to fight Marvin Hagler and to fight Thomas Hearns. Hearns waited three years and finally leonard caved in.


I actually am from the same area as Sugar ray and when he was fighting I used to go to the same gym.. My dad used to box as well as my older brother and I had a chance to meet ray a few times. His son (this will let you in on my age lol) Used to compete against me at Track and Field meets when I was in high school.


Outside of the ring Ray was not a model citizen either. he of course was a ****** Drug user, secondly he was soo cheap. Once we went to a banquet for the sugar ray leonard foundation and the foundation was taking money for children with cancer or something I cant remember cause I was so young. ANyway the place would announce how much each person donated. There were many affluent people in the Washington D.C area who donated thousands of dollars. He only gave 500 bucks and it was his own charity organization (Cheap bastard).

There is too much to write but anyway Ray was a great fighter who carefully was guided throughout his career. he would often change divisions or retire in order to avoid complicated or difficult fights, or he would wait until he had every advantage. Do you remember him fighting camacho when they were young or Tony Ayala Sr? or what about aaron pryor or Marvin hagler when he was young and not damn near 40. or what about john the beast mugabi or tons of other fighters who begged tog et a fight that Ray simply would not do. Yes he was a great fighter with a carefully selected path but that makes him yesteryears golden boy and a guy who also had an evil side when the camera wasnt on.

[sonofisis]

along with my previous comment, he also moved up in weight from jr. welter to welter in order to avoid fighting aaron pryor. hows that for 'nuff said?

Anyways, like I said, he beat three of the greatest of all time, even if he did duck Pryor, (Which he didn't) he still beat three of the greatest pound for pound of all time, so Nuff Said..

[wmute]

This post is quite accurate.....which makes me wonder how many of those who hate Ray Leonard could manage to like Oscar DeLaHoya.
Oscar was/is even more of a ***** than Ray outside of the ring...while only being about 1/10 the fighter Ray was, inside of it.
Just wondering..........

hmmm
while oscar is clearly not on the level of leonard as a fighter, I think he is also less of a *****:

while dlh gave no rematch to quartey or pea, I don't think that de la hoya, or jones, or anyone would do negotiations like the ones for duran rematch or even the hagler fight (in the end it's their fault for taking those terms for the money, but in the old times, leonard would no have got away with that ****, because he would not command so much money)

[sonofisis]

Plus, Sugar Ray was the qucikest 2nd to ALI to ever throw hands, that's why he was able to steal those rounds from hagler, plus hagler could never get a good shot in, Sugar has been dropped before, and hagler was very capable, Sugar was just a better boxer..

[Riptor]

Hagler didnt want to hit ray that hard because he Knew that Ray was a ***** and he didnt really want to hit a woman. Ray came to the ring in high heels pumps and he had to remove his lipstick and eyeshadow before they would put grease on his face lol hahahahaha

[sonofisis]

i guess, nice joke, but we know the truth, Sugar out boxed him.. i don't see why people hate the man, he was truly a great fighter, in the top ten of great fighters.

[oldgringo]

But...Thank God Oscar, the warrior he is, gave that rematch to Julio Cesar Chavez...because "Chavez wouldn't admit I really KO'd kim the first time."

I'm surprised that he didn't go the whole nine yards and give Hector Camacho a rematch to finally answer just who exactly had the better jab...

[jabsRstiff]

Like many of you have already stated Sugar Ray Leonard was yesteryears "Golden Boy" Much like De La Hoya he used tow in fights simply due to the fact that he was americas hero. He was polished, non-threatening and completely conformed to white americas expectations. He also won fights because many of his fans wore high heels. He used the same tactics that de la hoya did to win fights. He would flurry in the last few seconds and win the match, even though he would be getting the snot knocked out of himself for the rest of the round. Secondly he would usually only fight people when the deck was completely stacked in his favor, other time he just would completely avoid people altogether. (notice he never fought Aaron Pryor? or Allxis Arguello). Look how long he waited to fight Marvin Hagler and to fight Thomas Hearns. Hearns waited three years and finally leonard caved in.


I actually am from the same area as Sugar ray and when he was fighting I used to go to the same gym.. My dad used to box as well as my older brother and I had a chance to meet ray a few times. His son (this will let you in on my age lol) Used to compete against me at Track and Field meets when I was in high school.


Outside of the ring Ray was not a model citizen either. he of course was a ****** Drug user, secondly he was soo cheap. Once we went to a banquet for the sugar ray leonard foundation and the foundation was taking money for children with cancer or something I cant remember cause I was so young. ANyway the place would announce how much each person donated. There were many affluent people in the Washington D.C area who donated thousands of dollars. He only gave 500 bucks and it was his own charity organization (Cheap bastard).

There is too much to write but anyway Ray was a great fighter who carefully was guided throughout his career. he would often change divisions or retire in order to avoid complicated or difficult fights, or he would wait until he had every advantage. Do you remember him fighting camacho when they were young or Tony Ayala Sr? or what about aaron pryor or Marvin hagler when he was young and not damn near 40. or what about john the beast mugabi or tons of other fighters who begged tog et a fight that Ray simply would not do. Yes he was a great fighter with a carefully selected path but that makes him yesteryears golden boy and a guy who also had an evil side when the camera wasnt on.

"even though he would be getting the snot knocked out of himself for the rest of the round."

"(notice he never fought Aaron Pryor? or Allxis Arguello). "

"Do you remember him fighting camacho when they were young or Tony Ayala Sr?"


All.....terrible inaccuracies.

Alexis Arguello ? You mean the thirty-something who won a 135lb crown 3 months before Leonard UNIFIED the 147lb. crown against the sport's most lethal fighter (Hearns) ?
Leonard should have been arrested had he fought such a sickening mismatch.

Ayala ? You mean the 20-fight "veteran" who went away (JAIL) for two decades....starting just a few months after Leonard retired ?
Ayala was a PROSPECT when Ray was in his prime.

Camacho ? You mean the guy who made his network debut, at 130lbs, just 3 months before Leonard (a 147-154lber) retired ?
These two were on DIFFERENT PLANETS.

Some of what you said was true, but these things are so off, & I'd hate for the youngins on here to get misinformed.