Did Bernard Hopkins Ruin Kelly Pavlik?

[Bhopreign]

Martinez made Hopkins best win look ****e. And Martinez is a blown up midget welterweight.

Really? Kelly didnt win a round against Hopkins. Try again. Wasnt Hopkins best win either.

[Iceta Lives]

Welcome back Reign. As for the question, if Hopkins ruined Pavlik then Zag ruined Kessler.

[Heeb]

Nope. Kelly ruined himself.

[Bhopreign]

Welcome back Reign. As for the question, if Hopkins ruined Pavlik then Zag ruined Kessler.

Nice dig at my boy Ward.

[-Spinal-]

No, he didn't. Pavlik is just not good against moving fighters. I thought Hopkins was just that good, but Pavlik is just bad against moving fighters that have a handspeed advantage over him.

[Iceta Lives]

Nice dig at my boy Ward.

Hey, I don't even like Calzaghe at all. But fair is fair. I even made a thread about the comparison of the amount of credit Hopkins should get for beating Pavlik and Joe beating Kessler.

[Bhopreign]

Hey, I don't even like Calzaghe at all. But fair is fair. I even made a thread about the comparison of the amount of credit Hopkins should get for beating Pavlik and Joe beating Kessler.

I didnt see that thread, dont think pav won a around against Hopkins while Pav won some against Martinez and Ward outpointed Kessler alot wider than Cal. But it was just a fun thread, just wanted to see what people thought.

[Onlylikeboxing]

No, no he didn't.

He did expose him though and as overrated and abused as the word "exposed" is, it applies to this case pretty clearly.

Pavlik took a beating against BHOP but it wasn't the kind of ass whooping that ruins you. At least physically.

Mosley vs Margarito or Pac vs Cotto is the kind of ass whooping that ruins a fighter.

[Blue Heffner]

Nope. Kelly ruined himself.

I second that, and the addition to these MW champs beating up on people who aren't very good to begin with.

[Bhopreign]

No, no he didn't.

He did expose him though and as overrated and abused as the word "exposed" is, it applies to this case pretty clearly.

Pavlik took a beating against BHOP but it wasn't the kind of ass whooping that ruins you. At least physically.

Mosley vs Margarito or Pac vs Cotto is the kind of ass whooping that ruins a fighter.

I didnt mean physically, I meant mentally/pyschologically. Hopkins is known to take fighter's souls man, those are his words not mine.