Did Bernard Hopkins Ruin Kelly Pavlik?

[Bhopreign]

Thoughts???

[mikelovesfood]

Thoughts???

bhop didn't ruin him. (ok granted he got his ass whooped) no excuses here, martinez outboxed kelly for 12 rounds.

[Ryn0]

Kelly did ok last night even though I picked Martinez to win...

B-Hop hasn't ruined him, it's been a while since he faced world class opposition and he chose a guy who was always going to give him a horrible time (Lateral movement, counter puncher etc)

He did OK considering the circumstances

[xzworks]

give credit to martinez...

[Shattered Jaw]

The only thing Hopkins has ruined is his own credibility by putting on Oscar winning performaces in 2/3 of his last bouts.

[jonesy]

Mentally yes. It was evident last night. Physically he's the same though. Needs a new trainer if he's to revive his career. He's not improving.

[Check]

Not even close. BHOP laid a blue print but Kelly can beat anyone else at 160. He lost to the best fighter at 160. Wouldn't say he's ruined by any stretch. Not to mention he fought well until he suffered a huge second cut.

[Boxing Scene]

Hopkins is a joke who hasn't fought anyone good in his own weight class in years. He'd rather drop down to 168 to fight Bute. I find that laughable.

[Bhopreign]

Hopkins is a joke who hasn't fought anyone good in his own weight class in years. He'd rather drop down to 168 to fight Bute. I find that laughable.

People who carry on like this have never stepped in a boxing ring and wouldnt dare.

[TmZaclk]

Martinez made Hopkins best win look ****e. And Martinez is a blown up midget welterweight.