Paul Williams will be #2 P4P if he beats Pavlik-Martinez winner.

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

Cotto, Hatton, and Clottey are all opponents that are beatable and were vulnerable. And when did I say Paul Williams deserved to be ranked over Pacquiao? I didn't. I said I think he should be over Mosley and Mayweather.

Everybody is beatable and vulnerable to certain styles.

And when did I said You said that? ****ing Idiot!


Over Mosley and Mayweather? reallly base on what? getting whooped by Martinez or KOing Andy Kolle in 1 round?

[Iceta Lives]

Top 10 P4P
1.Manny Pacquaio
2.Floyd Mayweather
3.Juan Manuel Marquez
4.Shane Mosley
5.Bernard Hopkins
6.Ivan Calderon
7.Miguel Cotto
8.Chad Dawson
9.Hozumi Hazegawa
10.Wladimir Klitschko

Horrible list. JMM is fighting a rematch with Juan Diaz which is bull**** when there's Alexander, Bradley, Valero, Petersen, Soto, and Katsidis for him. I already explained myself with Floyd and Mosley not deserving to be over Williams. Hopkins shouldn't even be in the top twenty because he don't want to fight Dawson. And Dawson deserves to be in the top ten but not over Williams because the only guy he has dominated out of his top wins is Glen Johnson in the rematch. He takes forever to get back in the ring, Adamek probably could've beaten him had he had more time to and wasn't weight drained, Glen Johnson beat him and got robbed, and he looked like **** in both fights with Tarver. Now Hazegawa is an underrated fighter. But he doesn't belong over Williams. And Cotto? Wow, just wow.

[Iceta Lives]

Everybody is beatable and vulnerable to certain styles.

And when did I said You said that? ****ing Idiot!


Over Mosley and Mayweather? reallly base on what? getting whooped by Martinez or KOing Andy Kolle in 1 round?

Beating Winky Wright in dominant fashion (old or not) he has Mosley's number, beating Margarito when he was actually motivated to be a top fighter unlike Mosley did, and fighting more often than Floyd and Shane has. P4P lists should be a list of what have you done for me here lately. And sure Floyd and Shane have better resumes overall than Williams. But they have a weak run recently. And I think they are better than Williams technically. They just don't deserve to be over him on the P4P lists right now until their fight is over with. The winner I could see putting over Williams until we see what Williams can do. It's subjective and everybody's P4P lists are different so it's boring to me to debate about it.

[Mr. Fantastic]

Burner do you give credit to Williams beating Winky after being inactive for over a year and out of his prime??

[Danny Gunz]

Top 10 P4P
1.Manny Pacquaio
2.Floyd Mayweather
3.Juan Manuel Marquez
4.Shane Mosley
5.Bernard Hopkins
6.Ivan Calderon
7.Miguel Cotto
8.Chad Dawson
9.Hozumi Hazegawa
10.Wladimir Klitschko

JMM - is too high maybe 7 or 8 is good for him

Shane - inactive for over a year doesnt deserve to be on the list.

Hopkins - did u see his last fight?

[Iceta Lives]

Burner do you give credit to Williams beating Winky after being inactive for over a year and out of his prime??

I don't that much but I don't think Cotto could beat this version of Winky Wright. Mosley couldn't either. Mayweather probably could. I know this question was for Burner but I gave my two cents anyway.

[jrosales13]

This thread is quite funny....

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Burner do you give credit to Williams beating Winky after being inactive for over a year and out of his prime??

Not really. It was a good win but it is what it is Winky was rusty and they both couldnt get fights. Winky is also one of my faves so I know a Prime Winky and that wasnt it.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Top 10 P4P
1.Manny Pacquaio
2.Floyd Mayweather
3.Juan Manuel Marquez
4.Shane Mosley
5.Bernard Hopkins
6.Ivan Calderon
7.Miguel Cotto
8.Chad Dawson
9.Hozumi Hazegawa
10.Wladimir Klitschko

How can we debate if you dont even have Williams Top 10. Cmon man.

No Williams at all?

Yet JMM, Cotto, Hopkins and Calderon are there?

[DR.ORGYY]

na man........