The Myth of Raheem vs Morales

[Prime 407]

The TS is an idiot. just face the facts - Zahir is a bad style match up for Erik. I don't even think erik had ever fought a pure boxer prior to that fight.

He was all wrong for erik

I'm just looking at this from the bigger picture buddy, how does that make me an idiot? Sometimes it's not as simple as looking at fights on a fight by fight basis, you have to take into account what's going on in the fighters life at the time, his previous 3 fights and how motivated he was going into the fight.

[intoccabile]

I'm just looking at this from the bigger picture buddy, how does that make me an idiot? Sometimes it's not as simple as looking at fights on a fight by fight basis, you have to take into account what's going on in the fighters life at the time, his previous 3 fights and how motivated he was going into the fight.

My bad for the disrespect. I trained with Zahir so got a bit offended that he isnt getting the praise i feel he deserves. I agree with your assessment on morales though, about pacman ruinning him prior - but even if pacman hadn't happened Morales would have lost this bout.

Stylistically Zahir did a lot of things that Erik hadn't dealt with before. The angles in which zahir threw from were all wrong, the lead power punches on top of the awkward pauses between zahirs counters. he did a lot of unorthodox thing that many fighters tend to avoid nowdays. he may have won a rematch.. but regardless when in Eriks career the fight happened.. i dont think he'd ever beat Zahir on the "first" meeting at 135.

It has more to do with he [erik] fights a fight (better though, ofcourse) that everyone of zahirs opponents fought before him. Whereas Zahir was an all new task. So technically, Zahir was the more experienced of the two when the bell ring - from a style point of view.

[Prime 407]

The TS is an idiot. just face the facts - Zahir is a bad style match up for Erik. I don't even think erik had ever fought a pure boxer prior to that fight.

He was all wrong for erik

My bad for the disrespect. I trained with Zahir so got a bit offended that he isnt getting the praise i feel he deserves. I agree with your assessment on morales though, about pacman ruinning him prior - but even if pacman hadn't happened Morales would have lost this bout.

Stylistically Zahir did a lot of things that Erik hadn't dealt with before. The angles in which zahir threw from were all wrong, the lead power punches on top of the awkward pauses between zahirs counters. he did a lot of unorthodox thing that many fighters tend to avoid nowdays. he may have won a rematch.. but regardless when in Eriks career the fight happened.. i dont think he'd ever beat Zahir on the "first" meeting at 135.

It has more to do with he [erik] fights a fight (better though, ofcourse) that everyone of zahirs opponents fought before him. Whereas Zahir was an all new task. So technically, Zahir was the more experienced of the two when the bell ring - from a style point of view.

Ok cool, thanks for the informative post. I do think raheem was a style nightmare for erik but what I don't get is the correlation between Erik's loss to raheem and the Floyd fans using it to discredit Manny's wins over Morales. Especially since it was more of a loss to Raheem skills and not Erick recieving a beat down.

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Ok cool, thanks for the informative post. I do think raheem was a style nightmare for erik but what I don't get is the correlation between Erik's loss to raheem and the Floyd fans using it to discredit Manny's wins over Morales. Especially since it was more of a loss to Raheem skills and not Erick recieving a beat down.

A lot of Pac haters don't want to admit how much of a nightmare a style like Eriks was for Pacman at the time, is why. Zahir doesn't resemble pacman in anyway, complete opposite. And what pacman is, is a fighter who fights the fight that Erik would much rather fight against.

The fact that he beat Erik the way he did whilst fighting with a style that ISN'T a nightmare for El Terrible speaks volumes. I think people just need a reason to put floyd > pacman.

[Prime 407]

A lot of Pac haters don't want to admit how much of a nightmare a style like Eriks was for Pacman at the time, is why. Zahir doesn't resemble pacman in anyway, complete opposite. And what pacman is, is a fighter who fights the fight that Erik would much rather fight against.

The fact that he beat Erik the way he did whilst fighting with a style that ISN'T a nightmare for El Terrible speaks volumes. I think people just need a reason to put floyd > pacman.

Cheers buddy, thanks for the non-biased post, green K!