Vitali Klitschko Responds to Toney!

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Holyfield wasn't even on PPV when he fought Byrd for a title, but WAS on PPV agaisnt Toney.

So? Toney's a bigger draw than Byrd. And? Flies draw **** quicker than Byrd draws fans.

- Klitschko's wins you say that looked better were against MEANINGLESS competition. Classic nut hugger mentality to say him chasing 40 year old COrrie Sanders around for 8 rounds looked good. So what? HE HAS STILL YET TO BEAT AN 'A' CLASS FIGHTER.

Corrie Sanders was a top 10 heavyweight. Out of shape or not. He has a history of coming in out of shape, but still, half or more of the "experts" and fans picked him to win. Revise history all you want (because that is what you are doing when you say his victory over a top 10 heavyweight in meaningless when half of everyone picked him to lose). I'm a nut-hugger now, because I disagree with you hyping up Toney's 2 wins and no contest at heavyweight as being on par with Klitschko's heavyweight resume? Ok. Also, tell me what A class fighter is out there to beat? There are none, not even Toney. Toney is not an a-class heavyweight bybeating Oldyfield, Booker, and NC vs Ruiz. And I'm a "nuthugger"...right.

NATE TUBBS stopped Sanders in 2 rounds, Sinan Samil Sam stopped Williams in 6 rounds. Is that impressive for them? He's also knocked out Obed Sullivan, Ross Purity, and Orlin Norris. Should I list all the other fighters to knock them out? Is that impressive?

Sanders has a penchant for underacheiving so that's no surprise to anyone. Sanders was not considered a top 10 guy when Tubbs stopped him. Also, Williams has the same history as Sanders. Again...so what? Never did I say I was in awe of Klitschko's resume, but he is the best out there. Certainly better than Toney.

- Klitschko is "A" champion, not "the" champion, and while Toney may not be entitled to a 50/50 split, I don't think it's out of line for him to want it. He's a more accomplished fighter overall, and is a future lock for the Hall of Fame. Klitschko is not.

Klitschko is THE champion of the people, meaning the majority consider him champ. However, he doesn't have to be THE champ technically to get a higher split. He just needs to be a champ, period, and he is. Toney's not entitled to a 50-50 split so if he backs out of the fight for not getting it, it's his own fault and problem. Toney is not accomplished at heavyweight. Toney can have a better career all day long, and he does, but he wants to be the best heavyweight and he can only do that by backing up his talk of defeating Klitschko. Demanding 50-50 when you do not deserve it perhaps shows he doesn't want to be the best heavyweight.

The bottom line is that if and when Kltischko decides to fight Byrd or Ruiz in a unification fight, it wouldn't be on PPV.

That's not the bottom line at all. The bottom line is not about PPV, it's about who is the best. Toney wants to be the best, then step up to the plate and fight the man most think is the best (whether you disagree or not).

If he fights Toney, it almost certainly would, and it would generate more money than any other unification fight.

Financially, it might be in his best interest.

I agree, financially.

[Bozo_no no]

unlike the other champs i think VK is trying... well, i guess ruiz tried but failed by losing to rj and toney... brewster and byrd just fight whatever king feeds them... i think you will see vk fight some of these guys(rahman/barrett, byrd, toney, brewster) in the next year or two.. while ruiz, byrd and brewster will not even attempt to unify with each other...

Trying by fighting Danny Williams and then taking half a year off?

I'm not saying he isn't trying, and I know he's been injured, but come on.

He's done nothing more than any of the other titlists.

They're all in the same boat, and just as much to blame as the other.

[guru]

Trying by fighting Danny Williams and then taking half a year off?

I'm not saying he isn't trying, and I know he's been injured, but come on.

He's done nothing more than any of the other titlists.

They're all in the same boat, and just as much to blame as the other.

DW was his first defense and he hasn't been champ as long as the other guys... i agree he hasn't done any more than they have, but they shoulder more blame...

[Bozo_no no]

So? Toney's a bigger draw than Byrd. And? Flies draw **** quicker than Byrd draws fans.




Corrie Sanders was a top 10 heavyweight. Out of shape or not. He has a history of coming in out of shape, but still, half or more of the "experts" and fans picked him to win. Revise history all you want (because that is what you are doing when you say his victory over a top 10 heavyweight in meaningless when half of everyone picked him to lose). I'm a nut-hugger now, because I disagree with you hyping up Toney's 2 wins and no contest at heavyweight as being on par with Klitschko's heavyweight resume? Ok. Also, tell me what A class fighter is out there to beat? There are none, not even Toney. Toney is not an a-class heavyweight bybeating Oldyfield, Booker, and NC vs Ruiz. And I'm a "nuthugger"...right.



Sanders has a penchant for underacheiving so that's no surprise to anyone. Sanders was not considered a top 10 guy when Tubbs stopped him. Also, Williams has the same history as Sanders. Again...so what? Never did I say I was in awe of Klitschko's resume, but he is the best out there. Certainly better than Toney.



Klitschko is THE champion of the people, meaning the majority consider him champ. However, he doesn't have to be THE champ technically to get a higher split. He just needs to be a champ, period, and he is. Toney's not entitled to a 50-50 split so if he backs out of the fight for not getting it, it's his own fault and problem. Toney is not accomplished at heavyweight. Toney can have a better career all day long, and he does, but he wants to be the best heavyweight and he can only do that by backing up his talk of defeating Klitschko. Demanding 50-50 when you do not deserve it perhaps shows he doesn't want to be the best heavyweight.



That's not the bottom line at all. The bottom line is not about PPV, it's about who is the best. Toney wants to be the best, then step up to the plate and fight the man most think is the best (whether you disagree or not).



I agree, financially.

I pointed out that when Holyfield fought Byrd, it was not PPV, but when he fought Toney it was. This is beacuse Toney (having beat Jirov for the Ring Cruiserweight belt in fight of the year) brings fans to the table, thus he IS a marketable fighter. His PPV with Holyfield did more buys than any PPV Vitali's ever been on, and that was NOT specificly because of Holyfield, as you seemed to be saying.



I'm not even going to comment further on the Sanders thing. You spent way too much time trying to paint him as anything other than a fringe contender, which is what he was.

I said that is one of my #1 complaints about Vitali nut huggers: Trying to make Corrie Sanders out to be a world class fighter.

If you took that to mean you're a nut hugger... I guess if the shoe fits...


Klitschko is not "the" People's champion. He's 'A' champion, and I already said that because he has "A" title, his request for a higher purse is acceptable, but I am not convinced it would be sanctioned with his title on the line.

If it's not, that's an even weaker case. If the bottom line is not about money as you say, then Vitali should jump at the chance to beat Toney (who would be his biggest win to date) and make more money than he would fighting Byrd or Ruiz.

Toney is a PPV draw, and if he and Klitschko fight eachother on PPV, they both benifit from the PPV sales. What he makes up in giving the extra 15% to Toney might be made up in gate and PPV sales.

[Bozo_no no]

DW was his first defense and he hasn't been champ as long as the other guys... i agree he hasn't done any more than they have, but they shoulder more blame...

You think that because you're a big Vitali fan, and that's fine.

No one's made an attempt to unify yet, and no one knows what will happen from here on in. Only time will tell.

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

I said that is one of my #1 complaints about Vitali nut huggers: Trying to make Corrie Sanders out to be a world class fighter.

If you took that to mean you're a nut hugger... I guess if the shoe fits...

No I pretty much took it you called me a nuthugger when you said I was nuthugging. Remember that, gringo?

Sanders was world-class, for a short time, in this not-so-great era.

I can't continue to deal with your hating rebuttals because obviously you will never see how wrong you are, and find things to argue about and contend that aren't even being discussed.

Good day (^_^)

[guru]

You think that because you're a big Vitali fan, and that's fine.

No one's made an attempt to unify yet, and no one knows what will happen from here on in. Only time will tell.

i just dont think the other 3 champs will fight each other, i guess king will not allow it... as long as they've been champs they dont even mention each other...

[Bozo_no no]

No I pretty much took it you called me a nuthugger when you said I was nuthugging. Remember that, gringo?

Sanders was world-class, for a short time, in this not-so-great era.

I can't continue to deal with your hating rebuttals because obviously you will never see how wrong you are, and find things to argue about and contend that aren't even being discussed.

Good day (^_^)

Sanders was an inactive fringe contender who golfed more than he boxed before circumstance put him in a situation where he was able to crack Wlad Klitschko's glass chin to get him a # 1 ranking.

He was NOT a world class fighter at any point in his career. He was 40 years old when he fought Vitali, and looked like he had a grandfathers' build:



It is also classic nut huggers mentality to call those who don't feed into the Klitschko hype "hateful" and make comments like "can't see how wrong you are".

I have a different opinion than you. That's all there is to it.

[Bozo_no no]

i just dont think the other 3 champs will fight each other, i guess king will not allow it... as long as they've been champs they dont even mention each other...

At this point, there's just as much chance as any of them fighting one another.

Klitschko will be forced to fight the Rahman vs Barrett winner, and after that, if he hasn't already, he will sign on with Don King to co promote him as he (hopefully) attempts to unify.

After winning the WBA title, Toney and Byrd were in serious discussions to unify agaisnt eachother, but that went down the tubes when Toney was stripped.

A lot will depend now on what Ruiz does, and who Brewster fights, although I don't really regard the WBO title as a very important one.

[oldgringo]

No I pretty much took it you called me a nuthugger when you said I was nuthugging. Remember that, gringo?

Sanders was world-class, for a short time, in this not-so-great era.

I can't continue to deal with your hating rebuttals because obviously you will never see how wrong you are, and find things to argue about and contend that aren't even being discussed.

Good day (^_^)

hey whered i come into this?