Vitali Klitschko Responds to Toney!

[Run]

not to mention he's only been champ for a little over a year, how was he supposed to unify the titles in that amount of time?

unify the titles in that amount of time he should not. Toney victorious over Vitali Klitschko he wont be.



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[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

When Toney fought Holyfield, the fight sold 150K PPV

When Klitschko fought Williams, it sold 125K.

Vitali is not a draw either.

And you can slag the "dominated" comment in regards to Ruiz all you want, but he CLEARLY outpointed Ruiz like no one has since Jones. Ruiz beat a lot of Heavyweights, and before losing to Toney had just as much claim to being a Heavyweight Champion as Klitschko did, and Toney (on very short notice and grossly out of shape) CLEARLY beat Ruiz.

There's no way that you can tell me that Vitali's top wins at Heavyweight (260lb Kirk Johnson, Corrie Sanders, and Larry Donald) are any better than Toney's wins over Holyfield and Ruiz.

Toney might not be a bonafied PPV star at Heavyweight, but neiter is Vitali. Toney is certianly not "undeserving" of a shot when Danny Williams got one.

Neither of them are large draws, and I don't think Vitali would sell more PPV's fighting anyone outside of Mike Tyson than he would agaisnt James Toney.

Holyfield is a bigger draw than any of them. Klitschko sells more tickets than Toney. Toney fighting Holyfield got 150,000 (which is nothing) because of Holyfield. Klitschko-Williams did not have the intrigue of a middleweight vs faded heavyweight, but at least both fighters were in their prime.

I can slag the dominated comments all I want? Ok, I did. And I will. Thanks for your permission. 5 weeks notice is not very short. Toney should have looked better than he did, and then there is the whole issue of steroids. Don't need 'em, don't take him...but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and roll with the doctor's excuse.

Klitschko's PERFORMANCES have been better. It's how he wins. Toney stopped a toothless Evander Holyfield, and that meant NOTHING. The Ruiz win was decent but tainted. Klitschko fought well with the undisputed champ Lewis, did Toney? I'm sure you will counter with a very predictable "but who won that fight" argument...but in any case, +Klitschko stops opponents he's supposed to stop. Toney was supposed to stop Ruiz according to many people on here and himself, but did he? No. Klitschko has been at heavyweight his whole career has been successful. Klitschko is the more legitimate and successful heavyweight. The Bible of Boxing agrees (Ring Mag that is). The Ring is the most respect authority on the issue, and most fans feel the same way. Klitschko is the best right now is most people's eyes. However, since I'm sure you will discount everything I just said about The Ring etc etc, here's some more for you partner.

Toney didn't beat Ruiz. It's a no contest, as in the fight doesn't count. So no, he doesn't hold a win over Ruiz. Also, plain as day, Klitschko is a champion. He has the Ring ranking and the WBC belt. Toney is not a champ. He is the challenger to an official champion, and he is the underdog, and Klitschko is seen as the most legit heavy out there (whether you agree or not, that's the way it is viewed).

Pay attention to what I type. Toney is as deserving as anyone to get a shot at Klitschko, but he does NOT deserve to call the shots financially or claim he is being ducked just because he doesn't get a 50-50 split.

[!! Mr. Soprano]

When Toney fought Holyfield, the fight sold 150K PPV

When Klitschko fought Williams, it sold 125K.

Vitali is not a draw either.

Bozo, Holyfield was the draw, not Toney!
Wake up... and go wash yourself, because you've been digging in Klitchko's **** far too long. "Troll" haha

Vitaly is the one with the belt and has something Toney wants, not vise-versa.
Therefore Toney should be lucky he has a title shot. Not to make ******.. "I want 50/50 or no fight excuses.

[Derranged_]

I don't know why all you guys are so quick to forgive or excuse Toney of his steroid use. IMO he doesn't deserve a title shot so soon after this 'roid' controversy. I think he should work for a shot at a world title maybe after 1 or 2 impressive wins over some decent competition.

[Leo Pradun]

Toney should fight Klitschko if he doesnt hes a wimp and all his trash talking **** is all bull****t, why he doesnt become a man and get some balls and realize he is being offered 35-65 split to fight for the wbc title, he thinks Klitschko will agree to 50-50 hell no Vitali wont hes the champ he makes the deals not pieace of **** James Toney...

[Bozo_no no]

Holyfield is a bigger draw than any of them. Klitschko sells more tickets than Toney. Toney fighting Holyfield got 150,000 (which is nothing) because of Holyfield. Klitschko-Williams did not have the intrigue of a middleweight vs faded heavyweight, but at least both fighters were in their prime.

I can slag the dominated comments all I want? Ok, I did. And I will. Thanks for your permission. 5 weeks notice is not very short. Toney should have looked better than he did, and then there is the whole issue of steroids. Don't need 'em, don't take him...but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and roll with the doctor's excuse.

Klitschko's PERFORMANCES have been better. It's how he wins. Toney stopped a toothless Evander Holyfield, and that meant NOTHING. The Ruiz win was decent but tainted. Klitschko fought well with the undisputed champ Lewis, did Toney? I'm sure you will counter with a very predictable "but who won that fight" argument...but in any case, +Klitschko stops opponents he's supposed to stop. Toney was supposed to stop Ruiz according to many people on here and himself, but did he? No. Klitschko has been at heavyweight his whole career has been successful. Klitschko is the more legitimate and successful heavyweight. The Bible of Boxing agrees (Ring Mag that is). The Ring is the most respect authority on the issue, and most fans feel the same way. Klitschko is the best right now is most people's eyes. However, since I'm sure you will discount everything I just said about The Ring etc etc, here's some more for you partner.

Toney didn't beat Ruiz. It's a no contest, as in the fight doesn't count. So no, he doesn't hold a win over Ruiz. Also, plain as day, Klitschko is a champion. He has the Ring ranking and the WBC belt. Toney is not a champ. He is the challenger to an official champion, and he is the underdog, and Klitschko is seen as the most legit heavy out there (whether you agree or not, that's the way it is viewed).

Pay attention to what I type. Toney is as deserving as anyone to get a shot at Klitschko, but he does NOT deserve to call the shots financially or claim he is being ducked just because he doesn't get a 50-50 split.

- Toney was just as much responsible for the PPV sales as Holyfield was. When Holyfield fought Byrd, it wasn't even PPV.

- Klitschko's wins you say that looked better were against MEANINGLESS competition. Classic nut hugger mentality to say him chasing 40 year old COrrie Sanders around for 8 rounds looked good. So what? HE HAS STILL YET TO BEAT AN 'A' CLASS FIGHTER.

- Klitschko 'stops the opponents he's supposed to stop' when thye're 'B' and 'C' class opponents. Maybe you're impressed with him stopping Williams and Sanders, but I'm not. NATE TUBBS stopped Sanders in 2 rounds, Sinan Samil Sam stopped Williams in 6 rounds. Is that impressive for them? He's also knocked out Obed Sullivan, Ross Purity, and Orlin Norris. Should I list all the other fighters to knock them out? Is that impressive?

- Klitschko is "A" champion, not "the" champion, and while Toney may not be entitled to a 50/50 split, I don't think it's out of line for him to want it. He's a more accomplished fighter overall, and is a future lock for the Hall of Fame. Klitschko is not.

The bottom line is that if and when Kltischko decides to fight Byrd or Ruiz in a unification fight, it wouldn't be on PPV.

If he fights Toney, it almost certainly would, and it would generate more money than any other unification fight.

Financially, it might be in his best interest.

[Bozo_no no]

Bozo, Holyfield was the draw, not Toney!
Wake up... and go wash yourself, because you've been digging in Klitchko's **** far too long. "Troll" haha

Vitaly is the one with the belt and has something Toney wants, not vise-versa.
Therefore Toney should be lucky he has a title shot. Not to make ******.. "I want 50/50 or no fight excuses.

Holyfield wasn't even on PPV when he fought Byrd for a title, but WAS on PPV agaisnt Toney.

Remove your head from Vitali's ass and ask yourself why that would be?

Don't be angry and bitter with me that you made a hateful thread about me and everyone mocked you.

Like I always tell you: You're bitter and wounded at some of the things I've said to you before, and it's evident in your ongoing spitefulness towards me.

I call you a troll for follwing me around, and then you call me a troll. Why not just eliminate the middle man and drop me an "I know you are but what am I"?

Grow up.

[guru]

outside of VK and toney, you could argue that there aren't any "A" fighters in the division, so it's hard to criticize VK for not fighting any "A" fighters when they're arent hardly any... you might could argue byrd, but then he's struggled with every fighter "B" fighter he's faced and lost badly to wlad and ike... i think VK has fought guys(sanders, KJ, donald) just as good as ruiz, rahman, byrd, brewster, etc

[Bozo_no no]

outside of VK and toney, you could argue that there aren't any "A" fighters in the division, so it's hard to criticize VK for not fighting any "A" fighters when they're arent hardly any... you might could argue byrd, but then he's struggled with every fighter "B" fighter he's faced and lost badly to wlad and ike... i think VK has fought guys(sanders, KJ, donald) just as good as ruiz, rahman, byrd, brewster, etc

I don't fault him for not beating 'A' class fighters that aren't there, but I don't jump all over his jock automaticlly assuming he would beat them, nor do I think his domination of 'B' and 'C' level fighters earns him the same credit.

He's still a large akward strong Heavyweight who's one of 4 major title holders in one of the weakest points in the history of the Heavyweight divsion. His record isn't bad, but it isn't overly impressive either.

The division is wide open, and up for the taking. He just has to step up and take it, something I don't think he deserves the credit for until he actually does it.

He still has a lot left to prove.

[guru]

unlike the other champs i think VK is trying... well, i guess ruiz tried but failed by losing to rj and toney... brewster and byrd just fight whatever king feeds them... i think you will see vk fight some of these guys(rahman/barrett, byrd, toney, brewster) in the next year or two.. while ruiz, byrd and brewster will not even attempt to unify with each other...