Article: Roger doesn't seem too confident, says Mosley could possibly TEST Floyd...

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and imdazed, to me, froid gets no props.. you said yourself hes facing his toughest challenge pretty much right? aint it funny hes facing his "toughest challenge" whos almost 40, at least 5 years past his prime, and is facing him from lack of opponents in the welterweight division? takes an earthquake and no other choices for froid to fight shane. i guess fighting shane is not as risky as fighting a young p will though huh. NO PROPS from me. nah, none. froid is fake as F***, he aint foolin no one, but you ***** groupies. im done with this thread lol. same song gets old.

Mosley would have been Pacs biggest test also , thats how ****** you are , Pac and Roach flat refused to fight Mosley even though he would have been ****** out and you try and put **** on Floyd for stepping in with him at his strongest , pathetic .

[Da7thsign]

Roger isnt dumb. Even an older Mosley is still a threat and Uncle Roger knows this. No problem showing respect to a warrior.

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The Mayweather Camp is sneaky..... (and brilliant!!!!)

Roger Mayweather: Shane Mosley is 'dangerous' and could test Floyd Mayweather
By David Mayo | The Grand Rapids Press
April 13, 2010, 9:00AM

http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/inde...ne_mosley.html

Here are some excerpts:

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His trainer-uncle doesn’t dispute it, calling Mosley “dangerous” and credits the Californian for his “endurance, willingness to fight and speed.”

In an interview during which he detailed the essential fight strategy, Roger Mayweather acknowledged Mosley must attempt to use strength and aggression to derail the Mayweather box-pop-and-frustrate strategy, which has led the Grand Rapids native to a 40-0 record and the pinnacle of boxing.

“Shane don’t want it to be no boxing match,” he said. “If he wants a boxing match, that’s an easier fight for Floyd. Shane has to keep the fight physical. His job is to keep on top of Floyd and keep that pressure on him, and hopefully, Floyd will wilt. That’s what he has to do.”

“How does he cut Floyd off?” Roger Mayweather said. “He’s got to find some kind of tactic to stop Floyd from moving, stop Floyd from jabbing. I don’t know what his plan is.

“Trapping the guy, keeping the guy in the corner, keeping him where you want to keep him at -- it’s a hard thing to do, especially if you’re going to have to use the jab to do it. That’s why I say it’s a very difficult fight for Shane.”

“My thing is what he’s going to use to attack Floyd with,” he said. “What’s he going to use? If he’s going to use his jab, he’s got to trap Floyd some way. And if he traps Floyd, how’s he going to use his jab?"

If the Mosley camp gets a whiff of this article..... ITS OVER FOR SHANE!!!

This is the quintessential psychological warfare salvo from the Mayweather Camp!!!

Everyone replying to this post is in agreement... that this is an unusual response for Roger... Why would Roger say "Shane has to keep the fight physical. His job is to keep on top of Floyd and keep that pressure on him, and hopefully, Floyd will wilt. That’s what he has to do.”... Why would Roger give Shane any insight into what Roger thinks it will take to test Floyd? Why would ANY trainer do that, it makes no sense!!!

Anyone disagree with me?

The reason why Roger did this is simple..... A pressuring, coming forward Shane Mosley plays right into Floyd’s strategy, more so than a boxing match with Shane......

WHY?

Shane style is about the speed in which he puts his punches together (more 3,4,5+ punch combinations than Floyd) not precision scoring like Floyd. Shane's combinations aren't extremely precise, especially against a fast fighter like Floyd (often times they look more like slaps than scoring blows. Multi-punch combinations can carry weight with certain judges for effective aggression even if there is minimal scoring. Two bouts that provide the best examples: Mosley v Delahoya 2 where Mosley got credit for quick flashy counters with minimal scoring impact. This fight, in my opinion should have gone to Oscar AND Mayweather v Delahoya where Oscar earned a split decision loss for his volume of punches than had minimal scoring blows....if I'm not mistaken COMPU BOX punch stats prove that. Floyd is very capable of putting combinations together and is willing to do so against slower fighters (Gatti, N'Doh, Bruselles, ect..) because it doesn't compromise his defense. If the fight becomes a boxing match this is a potentially bad formula for Floyd. On this one night the judges may just happen to prefer Shane's high-output flashy counters v.s. Floyd’s efficient precision powershots.... and Floyd doesn’t want that.

That why an aggressive Shane (coming forward, trying to impose his size, strength, and will) plays right into Floyds hands. If Shane decides to brawl and throw big powershots, Floyd will effectively neutralize and counter with precise powershots... this is where Floyd is most comfortable and effective.

Shane has flashy high-output multiple punch combination speed.
Floyd has precision counter power-shot speed. The kind where he sets up his opponent, counters with a powershot and moves before he has to sustain any damage.

If Floyd can minimize the number of flashy high-output multiple punch combinations from Shane, the judges will have less opportunities to figure those types of exchanges in to the final scoring.

This article is not just different... it’s sinister. Shane better hope he never reads this one.

[IMDAZED]

If the Mosley camp gets a whiff of this article..... ITS OVER FOR SHANE!!!

This is the quintessential psychological warfare salvo from the Mayweather Camp!!!

Everyone replying to this post is in agreement... that this is an unusual response for Roger... Why would Roger say "Shane has to keep the fight physical. His job is to keep on top of Floyd and keep that pressure on him, and hopefully, Floyd will wilt. That’s what he has to do.”... Why would Roger give Shane any insight into what Roger thinks it will take to test Floyd? Why would ANY trainer do that, it makes no sense!!!

Anyone disagree with me?

The reason why Roger did this is simple..... A pressuring, coming forward Shane Mosley plays right into Floyd’s strategy, more so than a boxing match with Shane......

WHY?

Shane style is about the speed in which he puts his punches together (more 3,4,5+ punch combinations than Floyd) not precision scoring like Floyd. Shane's combinations aren't extremely precise, especially against a fast fighter like Floyd (often times they look more like slaps than scoring blows. Multi-punch combinations can carry weight with certain judges for effective aggression even if there is minimal scoring. Two bouts that provide the best examples: Mosley v Delahoya 2 where Mosley got credit for quick flashy counters with minimal scoring impact. This fight, in my opinion should have gone to Oscar AND Mayweather v Delahoya where Oscar earned a split decision for his volume of punches than had minimal scoring blows....if I'm not mistaken COMPU BOX punch stats prove that. Floyd is very capable of putting combinations together and is willing to do so against slower fighters (Gatti, N'Doh, Bruselles, ect..) because it doesn't compromise his defense. If the fight becomes a boxing match this is a potentially bad formula for Floyd. On this one night the judges may just happen to prefer Shane's high-output flashy counters v.s. Floyd’s efficient precision powershots.... and Floyd doesn’t want that.

That why an aggressive Shane (coming forward, trying to impose his size, strength, and will) plays right into Floyds hands. If Shane decides to brawl and throw big powershots, Floyd will effectively neutralize and counter with precise powershots... this is where Floyd is most comfortable and effective.

Shane has flashy high-output multiple punch combination speed.
Floyd has precision counter power-shot speed. The kind where he sets up his opponent, counters with a powershot and moves before he has to sustain any damage.

If Floyd can minimize the number of flashy high-output multiple punch combinations from Shane, the judges will have less opportunities to figure those types of exchanges in to the final scoring.

This article is not just different... it’s sinister. Shane better hope he never reads this one.

Thank you, thank you and thank you again.

[tacoboxer]

Great Post!!!

I've heard a few other people mention it, Floyd is a slow starter. More often than not in recent years he's used his boxing ability towards adaptation; finding the other guy's rhythm, timing him, relying on his counter punching and pot-shotting- and this all takes him a few rounds to get going. He has to measure the guy in front of him, probe a bit, see what angles and such he's using- try and figure him out; that could be a mistake with Shane.

Even if Shane is getting older and let's make a negative assumption and say some of his endurance is gone, he'll still be fast- the closer to his prime speed the better- and coupled with a little pressure that might be all it takes. Floyd isn't really thrown in with fast, big punchers that often and we have to all agree Shane is at least all of those things. In fact, the early rounds he should be fresh so if Mosley can get some good combinations landed, put on a little effective pressure on Floyd- get him a little scared or on the defensive (he is safety first) Floyd might go into his shell for a bit while he regroups. That's rounds in the bank for Mosley.

If you go into the 3rd or 4th round down all three or four rounds, and know it- it'll be the 6th or 7th before things are at best even; past the mid-point of the fight for that....it's a tough place to be. That'd be mental pressure for Floyd, not just having to box well, but knowing he's in the hole and his record is at risk for real. All Shane would need to do at this point is have a few more solid rounds, showing Floyd better effective aggression than Floyd gives him credit for being able to put up, most likely in the way of having the speed to land a few, and he'd really frustrate Mayweather.

At this point, Floyd would understand anything but a sure round for him would leave the scorecards in debate. He's not going to put Shane down, he's going to have to go the distance, so that matters big time.

If we're going into the 8th round with things still in question, Shane has been able to really make a fight of it with his early pressure, then things could get very interesting.

Each guy would have a handful of rounds, five at best, to make their case for the win. Shane can punch hard enough to, I think, hurt Mayweather. I'm not sure at his age the above will really go his way, he'd need to sustain pressure and throw at a devilish output not befitting his career stage, but the fact remains one guy in this fight, on paper, can punch and the other can't.

We'd be talking about a handful of rounds for Floyd to make a case that he's still the guy we should want to see with Manny, or for Shane to trump the younger lion and show he's the welterweight king and a sure HoF fighter.

That said, if Shane weren't to hurt or stun Floyd with anything at all, get respect for his pop, I think Mayweather will be ballsy enough to outbox him on the inside, land some hard shots (for Floyd), and take the UD by wrapping up the last few rounds.

The best thing I can say for Shane- that I think is more fact than opinion- is that Mosley is a great finisher. If he has his guy really, truly hurt, he always seems to pick the right punch (uppercut, hook- whatever look he gets) and finish the guy. A lot of that is tied to his speed, and how much of it he still has, but if he can really hurt Floyd I think he could get the KO.

If, if, if, maybe and perhaps....that's my take on it all.

Articulate, well thought out, knowledgeable... Its obvious you are not a casual boxing fan.

Well said!

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Who should floyd fight? Berto, P-will, Pac?

youre a groupie. look at your orignial post. "props to my hero froid! hes facing a challenge now!" lmao. just cause i called you a groupie dont make me gay. youre the one gettin all defensive. its funny that froids "biggest challenge" is from a damn near 40 year old shane. and i agree shane is probably his best opponent to date. but the ***** is not in his prime, not by about 5 years at least. he deserves no props unless you a froid groupie. no ****. just for you "imdazed(by froid's d***)" lmao. dont make me start clownin.

Its obvious you give Floyd no credit.... but what is a legitimate solution?

[Kagami Taiga]

both are speciial fighters, it'd be ****** to ignore a guy with his skill set. this is gonna be a good one, im sure.

[j.one]

Roger has always maintained that Shane is Floyd's toughest test. I concur.

AGREED 100%

Thats why this is the best fight in the sport since like 05-06 people wanted this and now it's here and people act like it's a sham cause Manny wouldn't fight. Mosley is the best fighter with the proper tools to test Floyd and it's that simple. This could turn into hagler-hearns if it gets crazy.

[Allucard]

Yea I don't remember Roger ever talking that way about a Floyd opponent. I think Roger realize that Shane is the toughest fight Floyd has had since leaving 135, maybe the toughest ever.

Oscar at 154. You can't imagine it but that was the hardest of all. That and the 1st Castillo fight.