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What is it with boxing enthusiast now a days? When Roy was on top everyone loves him, but when he loses a couple of fights he is hated and stoned. What!? Pro fighters aren't allowed to lose a couple of fights?!
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palma totally agree with what you are saying but it really depends on the number of fights and style of fighter.
you have to admit there were worrying moments on sat re Jones, we dont want a tragedy on our hands, Rjj is showing signs of being shot, low work rate, poor punch resistance, getting hit a lot more, slowing of relexes, pot shotting, we arent talking bout a guy who can rebuild by fightintg journeyman here. We are talking bout a guy who would probably go after tarver again.
Or up to heavy? I mean if he is getitng ko'd that easily there, god forbid he ever gets in the ring with the likes of Vitali.
It begs the qeustion as to why would jones want to continue? He is wealthy has his health and has his legacy which wil be remembered in boxing folklore for generations, for me he can only spoil this not add to it so why continue.Comment
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Both of them.
Roy has now shown himself to be shot. Knocked out badly 2 fights in a row.
De La Hoya has now lost 3 of his last 4, though anyone who watched the Sturm fight knows it's really 4 out of his last 4.
Oscar couldn't get back down to fight at 147 if his life depended on it, and even assuming he could, who is there who he could beat easily? Spinks, Spadafora and Cintron would all be too much for him. They are all 3 legitimate fighters. I think Spinks would be the most humiliating for him.
At 154 his best matchup would be Daniel Santos, but there's no money in that fight and a fair amount of risk. I think Winky would overmatch and he would likely take a severe beating at the hands of Phillips. There's no point in fighting Mosely again, and again no money in Ouma. If the Ouma who fought Phillips last time showed up, he would get thrashed there, too.
While he might not lose all the fights I see the possibility of him losing, there's no money in any of them for him, so why take the risk? You think he might want to pull a Tito and take on one more fight so his career doesn't end on his ass?Comment
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spadafora is not a welterweight mate.
he has only just moved up to light welter and he is also in grief again.
I dont see Ocar taking a pounding off him, spinks is the only one on that list that would give oscar problems at welter, he could fight Judah?
Light middle I agree, dont touch winky not desire for another mosely fight. But you are missing off a tito rematch?Comment
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I see your point and does make sense in regards to one's health. But let's face it. RJJ's skills could not have abandoned him that quickly. I mean, how long ago was it that he kicked Ruiz's butt? I think he's just having a bad time. perhaps it's his technique? I haven't kept track, but does anyone know if RJJ uses the same trainer everytime? Perhaps he needs to switch trainers??Originally posted by JPWComment
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Roy's trainer is purely cosmetic...Jones surrounds himself with flunkies and "yes" men. Jones runs the RJJ show and any advice he takes is actually his own part and parcel.Comment
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you could be right there NG, re the Ruiz fight that was a fair amount of time ago over a year and it is quite feasible that going up to heavy and coming down to light heavy has taken its toll on roys ageing body. Additonally a slow plodding one dimensional heavwyweight is not going to expose Jones lack of movement and reflexes in the same way a tarver or johnson would. Look at his 3 bouts since returning to light heavy, Tarver win (my backside) a loss ko to tarver and a loss ko to Johnson, the trend is most defintely there. Thats why this loss has come as no major surprise to me.Last edited by J !; 09-27-2004, 09:56 AM.Comment
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I wasn't aware that Spadafora had moved. I really haven't had much of an opportunity to follow his career, sadly. The few figts of his I've managed to catch, though, lead me to believe he would give Oscar problems.Originally posted by JPW
Judah, after the tantrum with Jay Nady and the shellacking he took from Spinks, not to mention the SD with Chop Chop, has made himself a less-than-desirable opponent. I wouldn't mind seeing this fight, and it would probably be the first time in years I've actually rooted for Oscar.
I dont see Oscar staying at middleweight to fight Tito. I think it would be a money draw, but Oscar has to be aware after his 2 performances at middleweight that it's too heavy a division for him.
I would like to throw in a cavaet here. I have talked, and will continue to talk, a lot of **** about De La Hoya because I feel that he was handed several key decisions in his career because he was deemed "good for boxing", but the man was almost always gracious in both victory and defeat. I don't know if he was being himself, or simply promoting his career by being a gentleman, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
I still think he should give it up. He's getting older, has no need for the money and doesn't belong at middleweight.Comment
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Palma, there is something indisutable in boxing.
When a fighter has a combination of skills and power, his career will fade slowly.
When a fighter relies solely on power, he will continue to have a puncher's chance.
When a fighter wins solely on handspeed and movement, he will get old overnight.
Jones was in the 3rd category for his entire career.Comment
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jones more than DLH, the punches had alot to do with it but DLH vs Hopkins was alot closer than Johnson ve Jones, I think I had jones winning one round while having the B-Hop vs DLH fight even going into the 9, DLH can still go down 154-147 clean house and still make money,which he doesnt needComment
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