Arthur Abraham beat all the top guys at 160 as the IBF champ

[Sweet Jesus]

So El****, Ayala, Gevor, Marquez and Simon are all rubbish?

Gevor's alright I guess. Marquez was old and not a MW. Either way, there were much better options.

[BattlingNelson]

Marquez, El****, Simon and Gevor lost every meaningful fight at 154-168. The closest thing Ayala has to a good fight is a draw with the Paulie Malignaggi of 160 while he was green. You can give him a pass if you want, but yes the rest are rubbish, and he probably is too.

So they where unranked when AA fought them?

[BoxerDood]

So they where unranked when AA fought them?

In a very dead division that had no names outside of Pavlik, Sturm, Abraham, Miranda, Green and maybe a few others who could actually fight? Yes. I don't see anything special about them. Any top tier 160lb fighter would beat them.

[BattlingNelson]

In a very dead division that had no names outside of Pavlik, Sturm, Abraham, Miranda, Green and maybe a few others who could actually fight? Yes. I didn't see anything special about them. Any top tier 160lb fighter would beat them.

Yeah the division is bad for sure. The ****posting TS just called the defenses meaningless even though they where ranked fighters.

[cleaner147]

there was ALSO no competition for Abraham. Pavlik clearly ducked him. Watch the interviews. Pavlik wanted none of Abe

[Heru]

Abraham was the Wladmir Klitschko of the middleweight division.

[cleaner147]

Yeah the division is bad for sure. The ****posting TS just called the defenses meaningless even though they where ranked fighters.

no, the TS is just a big Pavlik fan but ignores that Pavlik ducked both Felix and Abraham. we can list Pavliks meaningless fights at middlefight to **** him up, but we have class and respect other poster and fighters like pavlik.

[Sweet Jesus]

no, the TS is just a big Pavlik fan but ignores that Pavlik ducked both Felix and Abraham. we can list Pavliks meaningless fights at middlefight to **** him up, but we have class and respect other poster and fighters like pavlik.

Pavlik ducked Sturm?

OK, have a nice day buddy.

[cleaner147]

of course. thats a fact.

[Ray*]

no, the TS is just a big Pavlik fan but ignores that Pavlik ducked both Felix and Abraham. we can list Pavliks meaningless fights at middlefight to **** him up, but we have class and respect other poster and fighters like pavlik.

Honestly, I dont know about sturm because he never show a desire to pursue the fight, AA on the other hand pursue both Pavlik and sturm but Arum said they would do the AA fight in the future even though AA was on his last days at 160, It seems to me that they were waiting for AA to move up.. I use to be a big Pavlik fan but i have lost faith in him and Top rank arent helping him at all.