Comments Thread For: Mosley Getting Beat Up in Training, Says Mayweather Sr.

[mrjoeblive]

styles make fights, they really do.
i mean look how easily pac beat clottey, however, pac didnt land much cleanly due to clotteys defense.

but pacs offense and activity took every round except maybe one.

so we will see how shanes activity, efficient pressure and combination punching scores against floyds running, pot shotting and minimal punching for accuracy.

this is why i think shane beats floyd, dlh won 5 rounds and had much less to offer than shane does even at this stage.

this is not a skill vs skill matchup, this is styles makes fights...

floyd fans do not get this.

do u think jlc is nearly as skilled as floyd? not even close.....but efficient pressure, activity, combinations and body punching made it close.

shanes power will be a factor because it will keep floyd uncomfortable.
anyone whoever boxed knows what i mean

the key factor in this fight IMO will be floyds ability to take away his opponets best asset, will this be effective vs shane. and floyds counter punching. floyd lives at the top of the fighters poll for a reason. cotto was able to out box shane and PBF is much faster. it will be a battle but i see floyds effective counter punching being a major factor as shane has wide punches and should be there for those sharp check hooks. floyd by wide ud IMO.

[waxfondler]

styles make fights, they really do.
i mean look how easily pac beat clottey, however, pac didnt land much cleanly due to clotteys defense.

but pacs offense and activity took every round except maybe one.

so we will see how shanes activity, efficient pressure and combination punching scores against floyds running, pot shotting and minimal punching for accuracy.

this is why i think shane beats floyd, dlh won 5 rounds and had much less to offer than shane does even at this stage.

this is not a skill vs skill matchup, this is styles makes fights...

floyd fans do not get this.

do u think jlc is nearly as skilled as floyd? not even close.....but efficient pressure, activity, combinations and body punching made it close.

shanes power will be a factor because it will keep floyd uncomfortable.
anyone whoever boxed knows what i mean

im one of those people who actually think castillo won that... ive watched that fight numerous times and tallied up my own card. same result each time.... toss up fight, but i feel castillo definitely did his work. but hey, whatevs... i thought collazo beat berto, i also had mosley edge out cotto... but we all know suspect judging plagues this sport.... this year already proved that.

[mr.thraz]

doesn't matter, floyd didn't make weight, just like guzman

floyd did make weight. guzman did not.

[mrjoeblive]

doesn't matter, floyd didn't make weight, just like guzman

i disagree pull, the beef is floyd never came in over the ww limit. people are trying to say pbf has a history when he doesnt. the fight with pac was to be at ww limit of 147, again floyd has never came in over the ww limit of 147 so how can this be a "history of cheating" guzman came in 9lbs over the divisions wt limit.floyd came in over the agreed upon catch wt but not the ww limit. so how would this have any effect on his fights at ww?

[mrjoeblive]

im one of those people who actually think castillo won that... ive watched that fight numerous times and tallied up my own card. same result each time.... toss up fight, but i feel castillo definitely did his work. but hey, whatevs... i thought collazo beat berto, i also had mosley edge out cotto... but we all know suspect judging plagues this sport.... this year already proved that.

hey im one of the people that had JMM winning the second fight with pac. i do think cotto beat shane and i also had collazo beating berto. i had floyd beating jose the first fight i thought floyd caught a lot of castillos punches on the arms but it was a good fight and i wouldnt have cried foul if castillo had won.

[mrjoeblive]

How many other boxers fought a prime Vernon Forrest? Not many. Vernon Forrest was as avoided in his prime as Paul Williams is today (both are very tall/lanky fighters who were/are superb boxers). Shane was unbeaten and on top of the world at the time and could have avoided a fight with Forrest like other boxers. He fought him twice though (second fight was competitive) and this says a lot about the kind of mentality and heart he has. When is Mayweather going to fight a young prime fighter that presents the same kind of stylistic problems that someone like Vernon Forrest did for Mosley? That fighter currently certainly exists in the form of Paul Williams. We will see if Mayweather has the heart to fight someone like that who has physical advantages over him. We know Mosley had the heart to do it when he was undefeated and regarded as the best as Mayweather currently is. People ask why do so many seem to hate on Mayweather? I don't hate him (he is one of the most talented boxers I've ever seen) but their are fighters out there who could beat him. I want to see him fight those fighters. If he is truly the best ever as he likes to claim he will prevail. Mosley was in the same position and took those challenges. That's why many boxing fans root against Mayweather so ardently, because he hasn't taken those same challenges (they are out there) and self-admittedly only fights for the $$$...

Mosley fought Wright twice at 154 lbs. Wright was the naturally bigger man and was also being avoided by many elite fighters when Shane fought him (second fight was very competitive, actually scored a tie on one judges card). Not many fighters have looked good against Wright other than Fernando Vargas (who Mosley beat twice although he was shot at this point) Hopkins during certain spurts although he was the much larger man, and of course Paul Williams. Again, when one looks at Mayweather's resume you don't see fighters on it that were avoided or who were known as fighters that you don't look good against (even if you win) like Winky Wright. This again speaks volumes about the different mentalities the two fighters (Mosley and Mayweather) possess. One has truly been willing to fight the most challenging fighters while the other hasn't displayed this same mentality. Mayweather still has some time to do this before his career ends.

Cotto barely was able to get a decision win against a 36 yr old Mosley when he was 27. What does this tell you about what might have happened had he fought a Mosley who was in his prime? Cotto barely won this fight and after this fight I knew his skills weren't as good as advertised and wasn't surprised when other fighters (one who probably cheated) including the smaller Pacquiao were able to defeat him. But regardless of that the point remains that Mosley was willing to fight a younger, prime fighter at his advanced age of 36. Sure, you can say he had nothing to lose so of course he'd take the fight but could you see Mayweather doing the same thing? When Floyd is 36 do you see him fighting a much younger fighter who is favored to beat him? In 2013 when Floyd is 36 could you envision him fighting Devon Alexander who will be 26? I don't think so, especially if he is still making a concious effort to fight opponents who aren't really threats to blemish his undefeated record.

Irrespective of how he might look in sparring I hope that on May 1st Mosley is able to fight as well as he can. He is old but he is far from being shot. Old means that you might not be consistent from fight to fight, some fights you might look like your younger prime self and other fights you might look a little slow. Being shot means you can't sustain any consistency, not only from one fight to the next but even from one round to another (Roy Jones Jr). Mosley is still very much capable of looking like his prime self for an entire fight. If he can fight as well as he has in the recent past he will present problems for Floyd. I am looking forward to seeing a competitive fight and I don't see it being a one-sided Mayweather victory. Two of the three fighters who have defeated Mosley were avoided fighters who had physical advantages (Forrest's height/length, Wright being a naturally larger fighter at 154). Cotto also won and I'd attribute this to him being a solid fighter who was in his prime. Mosley's five losses (to these three different opponents) are not bad losses. He has never lost to a boxer who fights like Mayweather (superb mover) because in the past he possessed enough quickness to keep up with boxers like Floyd. We'll see on May 1st if he still has enough of his quickness to get close to Floyd and land his power shots. I think he does still have enough (nothing I've seen from him recently indicates otherwise and he seems to be very motivated to beat Mayweather) and look forward to viewing a competitive fight...

while i do like this post you are neglecting several things. when floyd fought chico he was the under dog. several sports writers had chico by ko. but floyd dropped chico 5 times and won by ko. floyd also chased shane to higher wts. shane was chasing DLH and wanted no part of floyd as it was in his opinion a high risk low reward fight. floyd also challenged oscar 5 years before they fought. but arum would not risk his bread and butter vs floyd. as for p-will i wouldnt advise any ww to fight him this dude will wt about 165lbs at fight time a great disadvantage for ANY ww.

[mrjoeblive]

floyd did make weight. guzman did not.

mr thraz i think we are wasting our time trying to get people to understand the difference between catch wts and division wts.

[Boxin']

he is 39 ffs, flloyd avoided a prime mosley and now is fighting an old man. he is almost half a century old ffs

Floyd called out prime Mosley you ****ing dumbass

[mrosborne]

Why Mosley will win...

Things to remember about Shane Mosley:

-Shane has been the #1 rated pound for pound fighter before, and has the potential to do so again in beating Floyd. In fact, he is already the top rated welterweight there is, and by defeating Floyd there would be no question that he would be the #1 pound for pound in unifying the titles at 147 (he will own all of them except for Manny Pacquiao's, and we all know Manny doesn't have the balls to face Shane, even at 140 where he would be frail and drained!)

-Shane has fought the better competition his entire career. Who did Shane Mosley ever cherry pick in his title defences? When did Shane ever fight an old, past their prime fighter in a so called "big fight"? I can name several of these for Floyd.

-Shane is a power puncher. He knocks mother****ers OUT. Floyd hasn't knocked anyone out in what, 3 years? And it wasn't even a knockout, it was a ref stoppage. Floyd has no power at 147. He might have at 135, but that isn't the case. Floyd cannot hurt Shane. It's not going to happen. Advantage Shane.

-Shane is fast and puts combinations together. Yes he is slower than he used to be, but who isn't at nearly 40 years old? He is still much faster than anyone Floyd has fought in years. Is Floyd faster? Yes, but not by much.

And finally:

I believe Shane will knock Mayweather out. In fact, I am putting 500 large on him to win by KO. The reason is simple: Shane is, in my opinion, the ONLY person at 147 that is currently capable of defeating Mayweather. He is simply too fast, can take insane amounts of damage, and too determined to let this be his retirement fight. Think about it: Shane wins, is #1 P4P again, is the only person to beat Mayweather, and has nothing left to prove except against Pacquiao, and sorry Pacman I like you as a fighter but you would get annihilated by Mosley.

Thoughts?

[Talon]

This fight is a farce. Mosely has a snowballs chance in hell.

There is always a favorite and an underdog. That doesn't make the fight a farce. You're probably one of those ******s that said you were boycotting boxing because floyd would get knocked out by the first left hook de la hoya lands. Or one of the guys that said hopkins would KO jones.. I'm just glad i'm not you. Your knowledge of boxing is minuscule yet you have such strong opinions.