Comments Thread For: Mosley Getting Beat Up in Training, Says Mayweather Sr.

[amayseng]

i think majority of BOXING fans dont care if he wins or loses... they just want him to fight the BEST and push himself. floyd can claim he is the best but until he cleans out HIS division, its all hype talk. definitely, shane is his first step to quieting his critics. pac did a better job cleaning out ranked WW than floyd. thats the truth. he obliterated the same opposition as floyd... and shane completely demolished margs... thats the difference between TALKING about being the best and PROVING it.

all the diehard floyd fans MUST love calzaghe and wlad klitschko... LOL.
slap-happy calzaghe had a perfect record, and wlad stinks out the fight and plays it safe all night... those are the same characteristics diehard floyd fans defend.

no one will argue floyd is the MOST gifted and talented boxer of his era, but saying he will easily beat mosley is pretty bizarre. at best, floyd would get a SD in a close fight... and thats assuming shane shows up in top form.

this is a good post

[Pirao]

Rumour was that Vitali was getting beat up in sparring too before facing Arreola, so if we go by how Vitali performed, Mosley will beat the everloving **** out of Floyd

[amayseng]

LOL agreed. I swore I saw flashes of the old Shane against Margarito. People think that may have been because of the styles and I agree somewhat - Margarito wasn't in the best of shape either. That said, how come everyone's forgotten Shane's performance against Collazo? He was brilliant. I'm telling you, at 147 Shane Mosley is a PROBLEM. I don't know if Floyd understands.

On another note, I was discussing this with TheGambler81 yesterday - who do the powers that be want to win? I think the obvious choice is Floyd but I'm not sure I agree. I suspect a Pac-Mosley fight will be easier to make and that may be leaning towards that. Just my two cents.

styles make fights, they really do.
i mean look how easily pac beat clottey, however, pac didnt land much cleanly due to clotteys defense.

but pacs offense and activity took every round except maybe one.

so we will see how shanes activity, efficient pressure and combination punching scores against floyds running, pot shotting and minimal punching for accuracy.

this is why i think shane beats floyd, dlh won 5 rounds and had much less to offer than shane does even at this stage.

this is not a skill vs skill matchup, this is styles makes fights...

floyd fans do not get this.

do u think jlc is nearly as skilled as floyd? not even close.....but efficient pressure, activity, combinations and body punching made it close.

shanes power will be a factor because it will keep floyd uncomfortable.
anyone whoever boxed knows what i mean

[IMDAZED]

styles make fights, they really do.
i mean look how easily pac beat clottey, however, pac didnt land much cleanly due to clotteys defense.

but pacs offense and activity took every round except maybe one.

so we will see how shanes activity, efficient pressure and combination punching scores against floyds running, pot shotting and minimal punching for accuracy.

this is why i think shane beats floyd, dlh won 5 rounds and had much less to offer than shane does even at this stage.

this is not a skill vs skill matchup, this is styles makes fights...

floyd fans do not get this.

do u think jlc is nearly as skilled as floyd? not even close.....but efficient pressure, activity, combinations and body punching made it close.

shanes power will be a factor because it will keep floyd uncomfortable.
anyone whoever boxed knows what i mean

Great, great post.

[Reloaded]

taken with a huge grain of salt....lol take a look at the members of shane's camp;;;they are a close knit bunch...i dont believe any of them would tell what was going on in their camp...i loooked at camp photos yesterday, shane didnt look beat up...lol think of it this way as well,,,,lebron got dunked on at a bb camp; most boxers will not go flawless when sparring. why do you think that floyd is so tightliped about his sparring.

Fighters also put this stuff out on purpose as a throw off , Shane will put on a great fight and will be up for this more than any fight in his career , who dosnt fight Floyd and come into the ring 120% .

[waxfondler]

I liked the way Shane kept disarming Floyd in the face-off. Mentioning how Floyd is all about the money while he wants to fight the best. next thing you know, Floyd's coppin pleas, talkin about how he grew up poor and doesn't want his kids to suffer

yeah, floyd is confused. theres plenty of tapes of him tripping up in his interviews... i dont know if he gets confused with what he wants to say and what his team tells him to say. LOL

[mrjoeblive]

i understand your point, but floyd has a history of deliberately coming in overweight,

pac does not have a history of testing positive for steroids.

although i think pac should have just taken the tests, he does not have a history of testing positive.

this statement is in fact FALSE. for one floyd does NOT have a history of coming in over wt. the JMM fight was at a catch wt. floyd has never came in over the ww limit of 147 NEVER!!!!!!! and just because a man has never tested positive does not mean he is clean. shane has never tested positive either. does that make him a clean fighter or just a fighter that has been able to elude testing protocals. well we know the answer to that one.

[waxfondler]

How many other boxers fought a prime Vernon Forrest? Not many. Vernon Forrest was as avoided in his prime as Paul Williams is today (both are very tall/lanky fighters who were/are superb boxers). Shane was unbeaten and on top of the world at the time and could have avoided a fight with Forrest like other boxers. He fought him twice though (second fight was competitive) and this says a lot about the kind of mentality and heart he has. When is Mayweather going to fight a young prime fighter that presents the same kind of stylistic problems that someone like Vernon Forrest did for Mosley? That fighter currently certainly exists in the form of Paul Williams. We will see if Mayweather has the heart to fight someone like that who has physical advantages over him. We know Mosley had the heart to do it when he was undefeated and regarded as the best as Mayweather currently is. People ask why do so many seem to hate on Mayweather? I don't hate him (he is one of the most talented boxers I've ever seen) but their are fighters out there who could beat him. I want to see him fight those fighters. If he is truly the best ever as he likes to claim he will prevail. Mosley was in the same position and took those challenges. That's why many boxing fans root against Mayweather so ardently, because he hasn't taken those same challenges (they are out there) and self-admittedly only fights for the $$$...

Mosley fought Wright twice at 154 lbs. Wright was the naturally bigger man and was also being avoided by many elite fighters when Shane fought him (second fight was very competitive, actually scored a tie on one judges card). Not many fighters have looked good against Wright other than Fernando Vargas (who Mosley beat twice although he was shot at this point) Hopkins during certain spurts although he was the much larger man, and of course Paul Williams. Again, when one looks at Mayweather's resume you don't see fighters on it that were avoided or who were known as fighters that you don't look good against (even if you win) like Winky Wright. This again speaks volumes about the different mentalities the two fighters (Mosley and Mayweather) possess. One has truly been willing to fight the most challenging fighters while the other hasn't displayed this same mentality. Mayweather still has some time to do this before his career ends.

Cotto barely was able to get a decision win against a 36 yr old Mosley when he was 27. What does this tell you about what might have happened had he fought a Mosley who was in his prime? Cotto barely won this fight and after this fight I knew his skills weren't as good as advertised and wasn't surprised when other fighters (one who probably cheated) including the smaller Pacquiao were able to defeat him. But regardless of that the point remains that Mosley was willing to fight a younger, prime fighter at his advanced age of 36. Sure, you can say he had nothing to lose so of course he'd take the fight but could you see Mayweather doing the same thing? When Floyd is 36 do you see him fighting a much younger fighter who is favored to beat him? In 2013 when Floyd is 36 could you envision him fighting Devon Alexander who will be 26? I don't think so, especially if he is still making a concious effort to fight opponents who aren't really threats to blemish his undefeated record.

Irrespective of how he might look in sparring I hope that on May 1st Mosley is able to fight as well as he can. He is old but he is far from being shot. Old means that you might not be consistent from fight to fight, some fights you might look like your younger prime self and other fights you might look a little slow. Being shot means you can't sustain any consistency, not only from one fight to the next but even from one round to another (Roy Jones Jr). Mosley is still very much capable of looking like his prime self for an entire fight. If he can fight as well as he has in the recent past he will present problems for Floyd. I am looking forward to seeing a competitive fight and I don't see it being a one-sided Mayweather victory. Two of the three fighters who have defeated Mosley were avoided fighters who had physical advantages (Forrest's height/length, Wright being a naturally larger fighter at 154). Cotto also won and I'd attribute this to him being a solid fighter who was in his prime. Mosley's five losses (to these three different opponents) are not bad losses. He has never lost to a boxer who fights like Mayweather (superb mover) because in the past he possessed enough quickness to keep up with boxers like Floyd. We'll see on May 1st if he still has enough of his quickness to get close to Floyd and land his power shots. I think he does still have enough (nothing I've seen from him recently indicates otherwise and he seems to be very motivated to beat Mayweather) and look forward to viewing a competitive fight...

WOW. that is the BEST & most EDUCATED post i have read on here. i agree 100%

[mr.thraz]

uuuuuuuum, you yourself just said he came in over the contracted weight.

there's no contracted weight as far as the governing bodies of professional boxing go's.

you either made the weight class minimum/limit or you didn't.

the body that sanctioned the fight between floyd and jmm sanctioned it as a welter weight fight and floyd made the welterweight limit.

the sanctioning body does not care if the two fighters agree to a catch weight, they do not ,in fact , recognized catch weights.

catch weights are agreement between two fighter that have nothing to do with the official nature of the fight.


catch weights are the boxing equivalent of telling a guy you'll spot him 10 points in a game of one on one basket ball.

floyd has never come over weight for a fight.

[Pullcounter]

this statement is in fact FALSE. for one floyd does NOT have a history of coming in over wt. the JMM fight was at a catch wt. floyd has never came in over the ww limit of 147 NEVER!!!!!!! and just because a man has never tested positive does not mean he is clean. shane has never tested positive either. does that make him a clean fighter or just a fighter that has been able to elude testing protocals. well we know the answer to that one.

doesn't matter, floyd didn't make weight, just like guzman