Pac loses every ATG Fantasy match because...

[Sweet Pea 50]

Pryor and Nelson would be great to watch. So would a Duran fight for however long it lasted but yeah Hearns is all wrong for Pac.

I think some of the guy's on the list are just too big for Manny. Hearns was yapping dude's out at 190. While Manny has improved over the year's, he would be getting hit by one of the biggest puncher's WW has ever seen. Hearn's was a BEAST at 147. Same could be said of Tito.

[johncods]

Good post. I see what you mean Pac does have a big heart and he wont lay down in any of these fights , he wont back down either. You have to admire that. Hes a great fighter no doubt. But his skillset and style is what will hold him back vs. these guys not his heart.

When you say skill set. what do you mean by that?? pac's only achilles heel is his defense and that has really improved since his move up in weight. If he has to he can be elusive ie(pacquiao-de la hoya or Pacquiao-hatton). Nobody in boxing today can equal pac's offensive game. what skill set you talking about? running??

[project xxx1]

Hes not skilled enough or good enough to beat most of them. He also doesnt have the right style in most of these fights.

Who does he beat?

Pryor? No.

Leonard? No.

Duran? No

Hearns? No.

Arguello? No.

Tito? No.

Pep? No.

Sanchez? No.

Benitez? No.

Whitaker? Hell No.

Gomez? No.

Nelson? No.

Saddler? No.

I can go on and on. So stop whining as if its some kind of B-Scene conspiracy against him. Hes not skilled enough or good enough to beat these guys. So stopping hyping him as this great mythical warrior. Pac is a ATG, no doubt. But stop with the Top 20 stuff.

Im tried of all his fans complaining that he never gets favored over the ATG's. There is a reason for that dont ya think? It has nothing to do with "hating" him.

if he beats floyd then i will change my mind,i wanna see how he does against a pure boxer first but id give him a good chance against some of those on your list

[Piper the Great]

if you don't think pac can win these fights you are a damn fool. Dude is a beats & made it to the top for a reason & that reason aint luck. Pac can beat anybody he steps in the ring with. Will he win is the question. But to say he won't & don't have a chance is foolish

[CrackYourJaw]

In theory Pacquiao might lose to all of those guys listed. But that's why they actually fight, to determine a real winner, and upsets happen all the time.

I'm not saying Pacquiao wins against those fighters, but I'm not gonna say he'll definitely lose either.

[STREET CLEANER]

:*******:

Hes not skilled enough or good enough to beat most of them. He also doesnt have the right style in most of these fights.

Who does he beat?

Pryor? No.

Leonard? No.

Duran? No

Hearns? No.

Arguello? No.

Tito? No.

Pep? No.

Sanchez? No.

Benitez? No.

Whitaker? Hell No.

Gomez? No.

Nelson? No.

Saddler? No.

I can go on and on. So stop whining as if its some kind of B-Scene conspiracy against him. Hes not skilled enough or good enough to beat these guys. So stopping hyping him as this great mythical warrior. Pac is a ATG, no doubt. But stop with the Top 20 stuff.

Im tried of all his fans complaining that he never gets favored over the ATG's. There is a reason for that dont ya think? It has nothing to do with "hating" him.

You can't go crazy with other ppl's opinion, so what if most ppl think that he loses. As much as you can know about boxing until both fighters are in the ring it is unpredictable

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

When you say skill set. what do you mean by that?? pac's only achilles heel is his defense and that has really improved since his move up in weight. If he has to he can be elusive ie(pacquiao-de la hoya or Pacquiao-hatton). Nobody in boxing today can equal pac's offensive game. what skill set you talking about? running??

I dissagree on that. Paul Williams, Andre Dirrell and some others throw every punch in the book just like Pac. Even Floyds offesne is great.

When I say skill set This is what I mean.

Pac is a fast, powerful, explosive, brawler hwo can only win fights if he throws a lot of punches. If you put him in the ring with a guy like Sweet Pea. A guy who will move, counter, dissapear, counter again and not make himself an easy targhet and spin Pac he will get out classed. Look at the JMM fight. It was basic as hell. All JMM did was step back and counter he did it over and over.

[imscythe]

Although this one is an old article I think it is applicable here..

Judging Boxers Historically: Are We Looking at It Wrong?

Published: Mar 20 2010 by: Scott Levinson

http://www.proboxing-fans.com/judging-boxers-historically-are-we-looking-at-it-wrong_032010/

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Although this one is an old article I think it is applicable here..

Judging Boxers Historically: Are We Looking at It Wrong?

Published: Mar 20 2010 by: Scott Levinson

http://www.proboxing-fans.com/judgin...-wrong_032010/

Im reading it now. Thx for posting.

[Tamis!]

Hes not skilled enough or good enough to beat most of them. He also doesnt have the right style in most of these fights.

Who does he beat?

Pryor? No.

Leonard? No.

Duran? No

Hearns? No.

Arguello? No.

Tito? No.

Pep? No.

Sanchez? No.

Benitez? No.

Whitaker? Hell No.

Gomez? No.

Nelson? No.

Saddler? No.

I can go on and on. So stop whining as if its some kind of B-Scene conspiracy against him. Hes not skilled enough or good enough to beat these guys. So stopping hyping him as this great mythical warrior. Pac is a ATG, no doubt. But stop with the Top 20 stuff.

Im tried of all his fans complaining that he never gets favored over the ATG's. There is a reason for that dont ya think? It has nothing to do with "hating" him.

Most fighters bigger than Pac on that list of yours mate!

As a fellow NSB poster, whatever your opinion is then so be it mate.

But as a boxing fan, cmon Burner, you talk like you trained mosta the guys on your list, or have or been with Pacquiao in training to talk about skillsets and a man not winning over one and immediately downplaying the guy.

One can watch fights on video or a live fight a million times over and claim they know **** about a man's skill, but we know too well it takes a lot more than memorizing each fighter's style and "skill" as it was recorded in history...

For me, to talk about skillsets you have to know the boxer in/out, that includes training with them, not just by judging how they fought who and where and how the fight ended as how they saw the fight.

No pun, but that's why they call it fantasy fights, heck, even the predictors are oftentimes in fantasyland too.