Any "normal" Klitschko fans here?

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Yes, I think Chagaev-Haye would be interesting too, he's the only good HW in the WBA mess. If Haye beats Chagaev decisively I'll acknowledge him as a credible threat to the Klitschkos, but beating Ruiz who has not won a meaningful fight in forever does not impress me.

I think the way he beat Ruiz was impressive. He beat the **** out of him, dropped him (Although at least 1 or 2 of the KDs were questionable) and stopped him. But, I agree that beating Ruiz doesn't put Haye right at the top. If he was to beat Chagaev I don't think anyone could question his place as a top heavyweight.

I think Haye had a good win last night. I think he also showcased is porcelain chin as well as stamina problems. I mean he was huffin' and puffin' like an old steam train as early as round 5.

I agree with the stamina, but what made you think he showed his chin problems in the fight? I don't recall Haye ever looking to be in trouble?

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You said Haye "made it look easy" against Ruiz. How did Wlad do against Chagaev and Chambers? Master class? Blew your mind away? Please tell me, how would you define those much superior performances against opponents much superior to Ruiz.

I agree, Wlad looked more impressive against those guys. Haye even admitted it wasn't a great performance against Ruiz - he didn't have great training, no sparring for 4 weeks before the fight, etc. I believe we will see a much better, sharper version of Haye against one of the Klits.

Previous fights aside, syles make fights, and all I'm trying to point out is that Haye's style will definitely cause some problems for Wlad. He is a different animal than, "fast" (lol) Eddie Chambers and slow, no power Chagaev. He is a credible threat and I can't see how the majority of Klit fans just hate on him and dismiss him as a nobody.

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I think the way he beat Ruiz was impressive. He beat the **** out of him, dropped him (Although at least 1 or 2 of the KDs were questionable) and stopped him. But, I agree that beating Ruiz doesn't put Haye right at the top. If he was to beat Chagaev I don't think anyone could question his place as a top heavyweight.



I agree with the stamina, but what made you think he showed his chin problems in the fight? I don't recall Haye ever looking to be in trouble?

I've seen a few people claim Haye was hurt by some of Ruiz's shots. Don't know what fight they were watching lol. There was one occasion when Ruiz landed a shot and Haye bounced off the ropes to manouver himself out the way, making it look as if he was wobbled. Other than that, can't think of where they got that idea from.

But yea, I think the added size did cause him some stamina issues against Ruiz, but this can be worked on.

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I've seen a few people claim Haye was hurt by some of Ruiz's shots. Don't know what fight they were watching lol. There was one occasion when Ruiz landed a shot and Haye bounced off the ropes to manouver himself out the way, making it look as if he was wobbled. Other than that, can't think of where they got that idea from.

But yea, I think the added size did cause him some stamina issues against Ruiz, but this can be worked on.

Haye was eating several rights from Ruiz. Had the pitcher been a Klit I'm sure David would have been KTFO.

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I think the way he beat Ruiz was impressive. He beat the **** out of him, dropped him (Although at least 1 or 2 of the KDs were questionable) and stopped him. But, I agree that beating Ruiz doesn't put Haye right at the top. If he was to beat Chagaev I don't think anyone could question his place as a top heavyweight.



I agree with the stamina, but what made you think he showed his chin problems in the fight? I don't recall Haye ever looking to be in trouble?

Haye took a lot of rights and on one occasion it looked to me as if it was only the ropes that kept him from going down.

I also think that there was a couple of times you could see Haye's legs turn a little rubbery.

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Haye was eating several rights from Ruiz. Had the pitcher been a Klit I'm sure David would have been KTFO.

He got hit, but at no point did he look in trouble, and definitely not rubbery legged.

Against the Klits, I think he will be more defensive minded and in much better condition than he was for this fight.