Both Klitschko's>>> that bum Ali

[F l i c k e r]

This thread proves my point.

Most people haven't even seen Ali's fights yet they claim he is "the greatest".

They only claim that because they overrate the past, and Ali is a culturally loved figure.

But if you look at his fights you will see he wasn't even close to a great fighter.

He made too many technical mistakes, which he paid for once his reflexes were gone, could not punch and could not fight on the inside.

He is totally overrated by any boxing standard, most likely due to the fact that he talked a lot of **** and stood up to the man.

In the ring, the Klitschkos khtfo w/ ease.

I agree with all of this. I watched Ali fight and that **** doesn't amaze me like other people say. He was just a heavyweight with footwork that's it. Besides that all he did was jab, kept his hands down by his sides, kept his chin up in the air and talked mad ****.

I think that Vitali would beat him with relative ease. Wlad on the other hand would have to work more but I think he would still beat him. I even think Holyfield would have handled Ali with ease.

People didn't know how to deal with that style back then, now-a-days that **** will get you ktfo.

[PensionKiller]

Speed - Ali, Wlad has fast hands but only his straight shots. Ali is not getting tagged my man. Ali had speed, and from all angles.

Power - Klit, he is a bigger guy and has the power. His shots hurt, but he isn't gonna tag everyone that is dangerous to him. Better believe that. Ali has decent power but faced some rela tough guys.

Footwork - Ali, no doubt one of the ebst guys at HW. He would dance and isn;t flat footed. Wlad is a Technical fighter but loses this

Chin - Ali. Wlad's chin isn't great, Ali proved his was but is paying for it perhaps

Ring Generalship - Ali/ He knew how to use the ropes, dance around, stay centre. Too good

Offence - Draw. He was so fast and could hit from all angles. Make you not see shots and those shots hurt. Wlad has very good power and if you're stationary, he would hit you and it will hurt.

Defence - Ali. Yes he got hit, but he was very hard to tag in his prime. Wlad has an OK defence also, but he hasn't faced anyone that has more power or speed than him for a while.

Stamina - Ali wins this hands down. 15 round fights in Africa, not 12 in Germany.

Heart - ALi has this too. He got hit by big shots by MOFO KO punching guys

Size - Klitcko, he uses it well and is hard to hit, but then who do you think there is now that has it to hit him? Exactly.

Heck I don't even know if me giving a draw to Offence and Defense is an insult to Ali.

These are just my opinions, I can't say I have watched more than 20 fights of either.

[Glamour Puss]

lol....it's pretty obvious, your consistantly attacking black fighters and praise nuthin but white fighters

I only criticize ***** black fighters like Dirrell, Mayweather and Guzman.

I respect tough black fighters like James Toney, Ike Ibeabuchi, and Evander Holyfield.

Now what?

You can't be serious.

I'm as serious as the Tora.

[Glamour Puss]

I agree with all of this. I watched Ali fight and that **** doesn't amaze me like other people say. He was just a heavyweight with footwork that's it. Besides that all he did was jab, kept his hands down by his sides, kept his chin up in the air and talked mad ****.

I think that Vitali would beat him with relative ease. Wlad on the other hand would have to work more but I think he would still beat him. I even think Holyfield would have handled Ali with ease.

People didn't know how to deal with that style back then, now-a-days that **** will get you ktfo.

It gives people some sort of psychological comfort to overrate the past in general.

The Ali "lore" is a part of this.

He simply wasn't as good as the legend makes him out to be.

Sorry if that shatters some peoples illusions, but that too bad.

[Stab Judah]

They may be slower, but not by much. Especially Wlad.

But they are far better technically in every way except maybe footwork on Wlads part.

Prime for prime, Ali would've probably won some of the early rounds on jabbing and moving, but once he started to feel the power and the pressure he would've folded.

He only weighed 210 or 215.

The Klitschko's eat small guys like him for breakfast. It would be no different than the Chambers fight.

220's-30's after the layoff.......
Shavers
Frazier
Foreman
Liston
Williams

None could get a ko none of them
could break down Ali.
Who's to say Ali doesn't bust the Klits up before they can recover?

[PensionKiller]

Ali is 6 foot 3 or 4. He isnt that small.

Heck if he was born in the late 70's he would be about 6 foot 6 and 240 with ht efood and the fact people are taller.

[Glamour Puss]

230's after the layoff.......
Shavers
Frazier
Foreman
Liston
Williams

None could get a ko none of them
could break down Ali.
Who's to say Ali doesn't bust the Klits up before they can recover?

Lets look at those opponents.

Shavers, big puncher, nothing else.
Frazier, one armed fighter who was way too short for the division. You take his left hook, you neutralize him.
Foreman, crude, slow but could punch.
Liston, basic 1-2 bum w/ a punch.
Cleveland Williams, big strong guy who could punch and not much else.


With the slight exception of Frazier who could box a bit, the others are tailor made, crude guys w/ little skill who relied on power.

The Klitschko's have the power, the intelligence and an abundance of technical ability to go w/ it.

Ali's opponents are all overrated. They should be seen for what they are, crude old time fighters who were strong, but not much else.

[Roger Yomama]

They may be slower, but not by much. Especially Wlad.

But they are far better technically in every way except maybe footwork on Wlads part.

Prime for prime, Ali would've probably won some of the early rounds on jabbing and moving, but once he started to feel the power and the pressure he would've folded.

He only weighed 210 or 215.

The Klitschko's eat small guys like him for breakfast. It would be no different than the Chambers fight.

It would be very different to the Chambers fight. For one thing, Ali would come to fight which is something neither brother has had to deal with for a long time. In fact, both brothers lost when this happened to them. Do the names Lewis and Sanders jog your memory?

Also, at what point in his career did Ali fold under pressure? I don't remember him folding under pressure from Foreman, who was a far more intimidating fighter and bigger puncher than either Klitschko.

[jimmykaba]

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Lets look at those opponents.

Shavers, big puncher, nothing else.
Frazier, one armed fighter who was way too short for the division. You take his left hook, you neutralize him.
Foreman, crude, slow but could punch.
Liston, basic 1-2 bum w/ a punch.
Cleveland Williams, big strong guy who could punch and not much else.


With the slight exception of Frazier who could box a bit, the others are tailor made, crude guys w/ little skill who relied on power.

The Klitschko's have the power, the intelligence and an abundance of technical ability to go w/ it.

Ali's opponents are all overrated. They should be seen for what they are, crude old time fighters who were strong, but not much else.

Shavers, Foreman, Frazier and Liston would all KO Wlad.