Nobody has a problem with Andre Ward employing Victor Conte? Double Standards Much?

[The Hate Giver]

no they arent. people who have been in the sport for decades can look at a fighters body and the changes its made combined withthe change in his performance from past to current, to determine that.

so its far frombaseless. and actaully, if you want to get into it. how many of roaches fighters juiced?

you are trying to say there isnt a case of quilty by association with pac, well yes there is and i just stated it

so you dont think that your body should change if you started fighting professionally at 16 years old & at 106lbs pre pubescent to being 30 years old & fighting at 147lbs?

You dont think you could improve as a fighter? Floyd had the same skills & body type when he turned amateur at 106 as he did when he was in his 30s beating oscar for a 154 lbs title?



step your hate game up son.

[The Hate Giver]

as for the james toney taking steroids, that is one incident & the fact that roach has a impeccable reputation in the boxing community i would give the benefit of the doubt that roach did not know toney was juicing. Roach cant be with his fighters 24/7. As far as i know toney is the only fighter who tested positive under roach. It would have more credence if roach kept on training fighters who keep on failing drug tests but that's not the case.

[Pacquiao'd]

Just like Froid, he went from 106 to 154, 5 Division Champion. I'm convinced he was on steroids for most if not all of his career.

well heres the difference. floyd was steadily climbing through the weight classes. especially from 130-154. pac all of a sudden did it in a years span

big difference

[Pacquiao'd]

so you dont think that your body should change if you started fighting professionally at 16 years old & at 106lbs pre pubescent to being 30 years old & fighting at 147lbs?

You dont think you could improve as a fighter? Floyd had the same skills & body type when he turned amateur at 106 as he did when he was in his 30s beating oscar for a 154 lbs title?



step your hate game up son.

i stated my point. some *******s have been claiming that the accusations against pac are baselss b.c he doesnt have the "guilty by association" type of deal like shane and ward.

well thats simple not true. roach has trained fighters who were on roids. so theres your case of guilty by association. so thats another one of yalls excuses, exposed

[The Hate Giver]

i stated my point. some *******s have been claiming that the accusations against pac are baselss b.c he doesnt have the "guilty by association" type of deal like shane and ward.

well thats simple not true. roach has trained fighters who were on roids. so theres your case of guilty by association. so thats another one of yalls excuses, exposed

shane is being accused of knowingly using steroids by the godfather of steroids in american sports victor conte. He admitted to a grand jury that he took steroids. Ward is employing the very same person right now.

that's not the same as freddie roach who trained a out of control james toney who never listened to anybody but himself. You said tainted fighters, james toney is the only one to my knowledge. That's a lame & weak ass attempt at trying to implicate steroid use against pacquiao.

Does floyd do ******* because his dad trafficked *******? Like i said before james toney did that on his own. Did israel vasquez use steroids because roach trained him who happened to train toney? Is oscar juicing? bernard?

like i said before, toney is the only one i know & roach has a impeccable reputation in boxing & is not involved in steroid use.

[The Hate Giver]

well heres the difference. floyd was steadily climbing through the weight classes. especially from 130-154. pac all of a sudden did it in a years span

big difference

2006 | 129 | Morales III | Ring Weight: 144 | Rehydration: 15 lbs
2007 | 130 | Barrera II | Ring Weight: 144 | Rehydration: 14lbs
2008 | 129 | Marquez II | Ring Weight: 145 | Rehydration: 16lbs
2008 | 134½ | Diaz | Ring Weight: 147 | Rehydration: 12½ lbs
2008 | 142 | De La Hoya | Ring Weight: 148.5 | Rehydration: 6½ lbs
2009 | 138 | Hatton | Ring Weight: 148 | Rehydration: 10 lbs
2009 | 144 | Cotto | Ring Weight: 149 | Rehydration: 5 lbs

144-149 = 5 lbs difference in three years.

You cant add 5lbs in 3 years legitimately?

Henry Armstrong held 126,135,147, in one year. got robbed for the 160lb championship. Is he roiding?

Georges Charpentier went from 112 to heavyweight. He fought in the 1920s. Is he roiding?

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You are my favorite poster on NSB Hate Giver.

[Hannibal Barca]

i think he hired conte because conte knows the ins & outs of drug testing. this is a man that provided steroids to marion jones that BEAT OST. marion jones never failed OST.

Andre Ward hired conte for his expertise in steroid avoidance & which new steroid is on the market that have no test available.

Marion Jones never beat OST's, because she was never subject to what is now considered the gold standard. Random blood test for HGH and EPO weren't implemented into WADA testing policies until 2002 winter games.

In the 2006 winter games, only a single athlete failed a drug test and had his or her medal revoked. During the Beijing games, 3,667 athletes were tested by the IOC under the au****es of the World Anti-Doping Agency. Both urine and blood testing were used in a coordinated effort to nullify potential PED users. Only six athletes failed drug test while in competition in Beijing, all of whom were banned from competition.

You don't beat WADA testing policies.

[The Hate Giver]

Marion Jones never beat OST's, because she was never subject to what is now considered the gold standard. Random blood test for HGH and EPO weren't implemented into WADA testing policies until 2002 winter games.

In the 2006 winter games, only a single athlete failed a drug test and had his or her medal revoked. During the Beijing games, 3,667 athletes were tested by the IOC under the au****es of the World Anti-Doping Agency. Both urine and blood testing were used in a coordinated effort to nullify potential PED users. Only six athletes failed drug test while in competition in Beijing, all of whom were banned from competition.

You don't beat WADA testing policies.

how do you come up with the conclusion that you dont beat wada if they only caught one person? In fact how do you know the rest who tested negative werent juicing?

[Hannibal Barca]

how do you come up with the conclusion that you dont beat wada if they only caught one person? In fact how do you know the rest who tested negative werent juicing?

Um... Getting caught translates into not beating the testing policies. Obviously, if you weren't caught, that'd be considered beating the test.

Because they tested negative. WADA test for all performance enhancing drugs on a year round random basis, making doping nigh impossible. If you can't form a doping/work out cycle, you can't dope.