Nobody has a problem with Andre Ward employing Victor Conte? Double Standards Much?

[BattlingNelson]

There are those same types that are never locked up. We tend to just call them Politicians.

But I do agree; once your caught, your out. Maybe. But then that would have to be the same with athletes as well: One strike and your out. It doesn't tend to work like that. Usually you serve your suspension or time in jail and you can get a second chance.




By the way, what's your thoughts on Pac not doing the tests?

Or how come this hasn't been brought up more in boxing...starting with the HWs on down?

On Pac: I find it highly su****ious that he refuses to do it. Let's be real here: If he didn't have anything to hide I see no point in turning down the proposition. Quite the opposite really. If I had nothing to hide and my opponent asked for a rigorous testing procedure, I'd be very happy to accept it.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

On Pac: I find it highly su****ious that he refuses to do it. Let's be real here: If he didn't have anything to hide I see no point in turning down the proposition. Quite the opposite really. If I had nothing to hide and my opponent asked for a rigorous testing procedure, I'd be very happy to accept it.

Exactly but leave it to Pac fans to whine like girls over it. Its like they're trying to act like this doesnt look su****ious.

[Benny Leonard]

I do not get the logic behind employing someone like conte by Team ward, They would only bring negativity upon themselves, What sort of work is he doing with Ward anyway? Mixing supplements?



When you are a top athlete in the 21st century and you refuse random blood testing without leeway and give different excuses on why you dont want to be tested then do not cry when people look at you with a su****ious eye.

It's one thing if Conte was the only one that knew how to help an athlete but let's be real...this is The United States of America where athletes from around the world come to train in our high-tech facilities. Conte is just one of many that know how to improve an athlete and at least others have proven to do it "legally" or are still in the clear (no pun intended)...so someone needs to ask Ward "WHY?" Conte...and then tell him it would be wise to go to someone else that is well respected and has established himself and has no cloud above his head.

[BattlingNelson]

Benny, regarding why such a procedure hasn't been brought up more in boxing, my guess is that there hasn't been that much focus on the problem in the US. I hope Floyd has changed that.

In Europe it's different. Fighters and athletes in most countries are subject to random testing by the local anti-doping agancies. Add to that that Team Sauerland in the contracts with all their fighters (Abraham, Kessler, Valuev, Povetkin etc.) has employed a rigorous testing scheme that includes some hefty fines if caught. I don't rememer the exact details of the contracts, but something along those lines.

You see in Europe in general and in Germany in particular there has been so many gigantic dopingscandals that television has backed out of the sports who has problems. So Sauerland made the scheme to ensure boxing on national television.

[Benny Leonard]

Benny, regarding why such a procedure hasn't been brought up more in boxing, my guess is that there hasn't been that much focus on the problem in the US. I hope Floyd has changed that.

In Europe it's different. Fighters and athletes in most countries are subject to random testing by the local anti-doping agancies. Add to that that Team Sauerland in the contracts with all their fighters (Abraham, Kessler, Valuev, Povetkin etc.) has employed a rigorous testing scheme that includes some hefty fines if caught. I don't rememer the exact details of the contracts, but something along those lines.

You see in Europe in general and in Germany in particular there has been so many gigantic doping scandals that television has backed out of the sports who has problems. So Sauerland made the scheme to ensure boxing on national television.

So if the Commission doesn't come through...we may be able to rely on Promoters which include those that put them on TV which means HBO, Showtime, ESPN, etc?
And maybe throw in the WBC, IBF, WBA, etc?

Many options?

And of course, we now have the fighter's demand who wants it in the contract.

You need to back the athletes into a corner.

[BattlingNelson]

So if the Commission doesn't come through...we may be able to rely on Promoters which include those that put them on TV which means HBO, Showtime, ESPN, etc?
And maybe throw in the WBC, IBF, WBA, etc?

Many options?

And of course, we now have the fighter's demand who wants it in the contract.

You need to back the athletes into a corner.

The key on the matter is the financers. HBO, Showtime and so on should insist on those procedures. If the demands doesn't come from or via them we're going nowhere fast.

The alphabet boys don't give a **** unless they can earn a buck. They wont pay for anything.

[Ray*]

Benny, regarding why such a procedure hasn't been brought up more in boxing, my guess is that there hasn't been that much focus on the problem in the US. I hope Floyd has changed that.

In Europe it's different. Fighters and athletes in most countries are subject to random testing by the local anti-doping agancies. Add to that that Team Sauerland in the contracts with all their fighters (Abraham, Kessler, Valuev, Povetkin etc.) has employed a rigorous testing scheme that includes some hefty fines if caught. I don't rememer the exact details of the contracts, but something along those lines.

You see in Europe in general and in Germany in particular there has been so many gigantic dopingscandals that television has backed out of the sports who has problems. So Sauerland made the scheme to ensure boxing on national television.

Yep! its different over here in europe, In the UK alone we have had high profile sport-people Ban for missing a test, In america they are still scared to implement random testing in american football just because they dont want some of their high profile athlete in trouble in case they are juicing.

[gingeralbino]

Those rules are exactly those employed by the UCI.

Who's subject to these rules under WADA? I highly doubt it works for non-olympic sports.

i heard a couple of months ago premiership footballers talking about that they were going to bring that into football aswell (currently they turn up to training grounds unannounced and test there)

I cant remember which one it was, possibly Rio Ferdinand (who got a 9 month suspension for "forgetting" to stay behind after training to do the test - he did it the next day and passed but still got a 9 month ban) - he said he wasnt happy about it cos it was very inconvienent but if it had to be done he and all others would have no choice except to comply.

Also, as a side note, isnt it a bit strange that Conte - who could be working in any sport realisitically, chose to work in boxing, where the testing isnt worth a ****?

[Benny Leonard]

The key on the matter is the financers. HBO, Showtime and so on should insist on those procedures. If the demands doesn't come from or via them we're going nowhere fast.

The alphabet boys don't give a **** unless they can earn a buck. They wont pay for anything.

I wonder if Floyd could write to a Senator/Government to take one step in this pool with a simple letter "suggesting" that it would be in their best interest to improve their sport by resolving the matter of possible "illegal" PEDs in the sport with having a testing system in place that is of the highest order..."or else"

It would be funny if Floyd just stepped up and went around to all the big name fighters on camera and put his arm around them and put them on the spot about wanting to be a part of showing the people that we are in a clean sport and in order to do that we will corporate with improved drug testing...SMILE

Of course Floyd is doing this for himself but who cares.

On a side note: Say your an athlete and someone that doesn't particularly trust people...wouldn't you be worried someone may put something in your food?
A little sprinkle of ******* on your food or drink?
Maybe some crushed PEDs tablets when you are not looking?

[Benny Leonard]

i heard a couple of months ago premiership footballers talking about that they were going to bring that into football aswell (currently they turn up to training grounds unannounced and test there)

I cant remember which one it was, possibly Rio Ferdinand (who got a 9 month suspension for "forgetting" to stay behind after training to do the test - he did it the next day and passed but still got a 9 month ban) - he said he wasnt happy about it cos it was very inconvienent but if it had to be done he and all others would have no choice except to comply.

Also, as a side note, isnt it a bit strange that Conte - who could be working in any sport realisitically, chose to work in boxing, where the testing isnt worth a ****?

No, it's not strange. Conte's working with athletes in general. Boxing just happens to have "athletes." You need his help, you go to him. He didn't pick and choose before and he has no reason to do it now. There are still ways to help an athlete "legally." Now if he can still cheat the system...of course. But that's with athletes as well...especially athletes with money.