Bernard Hopkins - time to fight or time to retire?

[MetalVomit]

Hopkins doesnt deserve to be in the hall of fame? Hall of bull****? LMFAO. Anorak is still mad about Hopkins' cautious win over his countryman Eastman.

[Guest]

Are U ****in serious? Hall of Bull****? The guy has not lost in 20 defenses & 12 years. Granted that the division has not been the strongest, over 12 years I'm sure he has ran across pretty good fighters. You are right some of his fights are not the most exciting, but if he fought like Corrales or Castillo do you think he'd be going strong at 40. Hell No! He wouldn't be able to spell forty. He is a WINNER & he does what he needs to win. Isn't that what sports are all about? WINNING. Tom Brady isn't Michael Vick but he is a WINNER. I fell like some people just don't get it. Are you another European mad because he supposedely ducked Calzaghe. Please, Calzaghe doesn't deserve to wipe Hopkins ass. At a time in his career when he is looking for big paydays, Why fight Calzaghe? In the states the name "Calzaghe" excites no one. HOPKINS IS ONE OF THE BEST FIGHTERS OF ALL TIME & THE ONLY THING THAT BELONGS IN THE HALL OF BULL**** IS YOUR THREAD!

Wow, you've posted a grand total of four times and already you're mouthing off like that?

Yet more "Hopkins fights like **** because he's old, so there" anti-logic.

Derision of Calzaghe, someone I never even mentioned, someone who's not even in the same DIVISION as Hopkins. (Clue: Winky Wright IS).

Mr. Coop? Isn't a coop something that's full of bird ****? Prick.

[Guest]

Hopkins doesnt deserve to be in the hall of fame? Hall of bull****? LMFAO. Anorak is still mad about Hopkins' cautious win over his countryman Eastman.

I KNEW as soon as I saw Godzhand as the last poster on this thread it would contain the word "Anorak" and something to do with it being a Limey angle. Good to see you didn't let me down, G.

[dangerousity]

The guy only beat 2 worthwile opponents, ODLH who has been accused of taking a dive and Tito who for one is already too small and a total style mismatch. No way Hopkins belong top 5.

To someone going on about nationality, most people dont give a ****e. Most people support boxers thats not from their country, specially UK as theres not many top boxers from here atm. Hopkins is just a very boring fighter who's beaten nobody. He beaten ODLH, wow so what, it wasnt even very convincing until after the dive. Then theres Tito whos naturally smaller and posseses no boxing skills on that lvl.

As for all this 20 title defense crap, well Im sure there are many fighters out there who can go 100wins undefeated by fighting b class opponents or picking on guys 6 weight classes below them.

[BadMagick]

I'm sorry fella but that's only your opinion, and I would say that I know more people that would dissagree with that than agree with it.

Maybe it's because you live in the States, and they drum all this marketing stuff into you on the tv? But outside the US Bernard is seen very differently.

I think some boxing fans, (I dunno maybe you?) have the Citizen Kane syndrome... All film critics say it's the greatest film ever, and they won't change their opinion on that because they're scared that other critics won't take them seriously... It's like the blind leading the blind.

I prefer people to just shoot straight with me and say, "Citizen Kane is NOT the best film ever, it's ok but there are far better films out there!".

Same **** with Bernard... You don't have to follow the pack on everything, that's just f**kin' boring... Stray away and have an individual opinion, and then give reasons WHY you think that way.

American media hardly ever mentions boxing. No one who isn't really into boxing has ever heard of B-Hop in America. It has NOTHING to do with the media.

B, I agree about the Oscar fight, he played him like a ***** until Oscar lay down so they could rake in the cash and embark on a promotional management... er, I meant, until Oscar got KOed.

But stuff years ago is no reflection on why he's ranked #1 p4p NOW.

Wow, you're a ****ing moron. Have you ever been punched there?

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

For one thing there's a ****er who admittedly doesn't have Hopkins's skill (Carl "The Cat" Thompson), who is 41 yet ****s like a young 'un. He's world class if not a world beater, and is currently the 5th rated Cruiser on Boxrec. I would say he's not that famous because he's a Limey, but he's not that famous over here either, despite always being watchable.

But the most important point is, if he can't box to the fullest of his ability because of his age (and I agree, he's nearly ready to be taken now)... he should just get the **** out. Seriously. Look at the title of this thread. Fight or retire.

He shouldn't retire if he can still beat the best middleweights out there. He beat Eastman. He is top 5. He could also beat Taylor. By the way I picked Eastman to beat Hops and I pick Taylor to. Cat Thompson doesn't sound like a guy who boxes to the fullest of his ability, sounds more like a guy who is too dumb to know when to get on his toes and move his head. Also, don't bring up boxrec's rankings if you want to be taken seriously. That won't do. Hopkins' style is not to ****, especially at 40. Thompson's is...so what?

Hopkins is boxing to the smartest of his ability. He is 40 and obviously no one at 40 still has the physicality they had at 25 or even 36 in Hopkins' case. That's life. If you can't use 40 yrs old as a reason to box cautiously when you have as much on the line as Hopkins does, then you never can.

When Hopkins did stop and fight vs Eastman, he whipped him. The first half he acted lame, but the latter half he showed why he is great, easily dominating a top 5 middleweight. What more can you ask for? For him to beat Taylor? Well he may very well do that soon. You say fight or retire, and well, he's fightin' so you have your answer, just not the one you want.

And Martin...STFU already. Damn you act like a rube, boy. You think Americans are all hot-doggin yankees who only form opinions from the tube. Get over yourself. Media doesn't even discuss boxing here.

[SUPER ZAB FAN]

I have to admit , I am a big Fan of B-hops work ethic , and i do respect what he has accomplished since coming out of jail , i cannot knock his hustle . As a fight fan though I do not respect not moving up in weight classes to find bigger and better challenges . Just about every great fighter has gone up to higher weight classes to seek challenges after domiating the weight class they started in . B-Hop started his career at light Heavy, lost and went down in weight never to challenge a bigger opponent. True he beat DLH + Tito but they had already dominated there respected weight classes . I just dont like the fact that he has domiated Middle weight for so long that he never has tried to challenge himself with a bigger fighter. If a big payday was what he was looking for he didnt have to look any further but to move up in weight .

[Solo322]

i actually like the whole not moving in weight. It's less of a challenge, but it shows because the boxer is healthier in the end. Hopkins' inhuman strength and stamina at his age is a representation of staying at a consistent weight his entire life. The man rarely breathes hard, stays consistent, and is strong! As you saw with Roy Jones, moving weight classes brings enormous damage to your body, especially when done in short periods of time. Part of me wishes that Roy had stayed where he was, so that he'd still be dominant at super middleweight, but he wouldn't have accomplished as much there. It is hard for me to bash any boxer because I respect what they have to go through. Hopkins falls into my category of professional fighters. He does whatever it takes to win. So does Winky, and both of them are very successful, although neither of them draw big money fights. They'll never be superstars like Roy, Mayweather, Morales, or Tyson, because they live safely, but they always get the win and you can make a safe bet on that. I hold him on the p4p list because of that.

[Guest]

Wow, you're a ****ing moron. Have you ever been punched there?

One thing I've noticed about you BadMagick is that you have no manners whatsoever. It's okay making a point and so on, but you're often just plain rude and obnoxious. You ought to watch that.

[Guest]

And Martin...STFU already. Damn you act like a rube, boy. You think Americans are all hot-doggin yankees who only form opinions from the tube. Get over yourself. Media doesn't even discuss boxing here.

I thought they discuss boxing after organising lynching and chicken fights. Then they get the loser of a boxing match and make him squeal like a pig.