Serious Q to those who knows: Floyd-Mosley fight

[PAKYO]

I know both boxers have agreed to submit theirselves to a more stringent random OST as per their contract. I tried searching some articles here regarding the stipulations with this kind of test as this may become a good precedence of things to come in the sport so please bear with me if i ask the following:

1. Since this is a random test, until when will the testing be conducted? Is there a cutoff date, maximum number of times the test should be done, and is the test extended until right after the fight?

2. Did both camp agree to have their results be published or announced each time they took a test?

3. What happens if the test is positive to either or both, will it mean the fight gets cancelled and the offender gets suspended from boxing?

4. Since the agency conducting the test is a private entity, do they they have the power to instill punitive action or penalties to a boxer that is found positive?

5. Have any random test taken place yet? The fight is only 4 weeks away but until now there's no news if how many times or if they already did.

6. Do you think they should be as transparent with it now so as to quash any more doubts that it is just a ploy of Floyd to scuttle his fight with Manny?

Would love to hear from you guys if you have heard any news regarding this as i believe only good can come out of this if the participants really is honest on spearheading in cleaning the sport.

[check hook]

I know both boxers have agreed to submit theirselves to a more stringent random OST as per their contract. I tried searching some articles here regarding the stipulations with this kind of test as this may become a good precedence of things to come in the sport so please bear with me if i ask the following:

1. Since this is a random test, until when will the testing be conducted? Is there a cutoff date, maximum number of times the test should be done, and is the test extended until right after the fight?

2. Did both camp agree to have their results be published or announced each time they took a test?

3. What happens if the test is positive to either or both, will it mean the fight gets cancelled and the offender gets suspended from boxing?

4. Since the agency conducting the test is a private entity, do they they have the power to instill punitive action or penalties to a boxer that is found positive?

5. Have any random test taken place yet? The fight is only 4 weeks away but until now there's no news if how many times or if they already did.

6. Do you think they should be as transparent with it now so as to quash any more doubts that it is just a ploy of Floyd to scuttle his fight with Manny?

Would love to hear from you guys if you have heard any news regarding this as i believe only good can come out of this if the participants really is honest on spearheading in cleaning the sport.

1. No limit to the number of tests. The number is determined by how many tests the USADA feels will protect both fighter. No cut-off date. Fighters can be tested the day of the fight. Additionally samples are stored for 8 years under relevant statute.

2. USADA releases positive test results and then allows the athlete to challenge.

3. The fight will most likely be cancelled and a ban of 2 years handed down by the USADA. Whether the ban has any power is debatable. This is because boxing is not controlled by a centralised sanctioning body or even a centralised commission. If the relevant boxing council/s or commissions choose to ignore the ban the USADA would have little recourse.

4. USADA can impose a penalty.....but how can they uphold it???? Unless the USADA penalty is recognised by all the sanctioning bodies and/or relevant state commissions????



5. Not sure. But my guess is yes.....they would have had at least one or 2 last week.


6. There was a teleconference about the procedure. USADA's procedures are well documented and are transparent. They are the gold standard in PED testing. The USADA follows WADA protocols identically.....they source their procudures and prohibited substance list from WADA.

[PAKYO]

1. No limit to the number of tests. The number is determined by how many tests the USADA feels will protect both fighter. No cut-off date. Fighters can be tested the day of the fight. Additionally samples are stored for 8 years under relevant statute.

2. USADA releases positive test results and then allows the athlete to challenge.

3. The fight will most likely be cancelled and a ban of 2 years handed down by the USADA. Whether the ban has any power is debatable. This is because boxing is not controlled by a centralised sanctioning body or even a centralised commission. If the relevant boxing council/s or commissions choose to ignore the ban the USADA would have little recourse.

4. USADA can impose a penalty.....but how can they uphold it???? Unless the USADA penalty is recognised by all the sanctioning bodies and/or relevant state commissions????



5. Not sure. But my guess is yes.....they would have had at least one or 2 last week.


6. There was a teleconference about the procedure. USADA's procedures are well documented and are transparent. They are the gold standard in PED testing. The USADA follows WADA protocols identically.....they source their procudures and prohibited substance list from WADA.

1 and 2 - Thanks for the info

3 and 4 - So the agency really has no power to impose any penalties as they are not a governing body.

5. - I hope they really did.

6. As a fan of floyd, aren't you worried about this? Have you checked the prohibited substance list from WADA?

[Biolink]

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=26135

Yes they already started testing last week

[PAKYO]

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=26135

Yes they already started testing last week

Thanks man, i've read your reply already from the other thread.

[tredh]

Yes USADA does have the power to suspend and penalize either fighter who tests positive because each fighter agreed to USADA standards and rules. Meaning I believe they signed something with that agency so they are bound by the rules to whatever they agreed to. So you all right that the commissions don't have anything to do with the USADA regulations but if the fighter independently agreed then yes the fighters do still have abide by those rules or that is a breach of the agreement.

[Kilrain]

I bet this will cause problems. If you give blood on the day of the fight then get punched in the spot where you gave blood from, it's gonna hurt and affect you. Possibly deaden your arm. Unless the blood is taken from other areas, leg? I dont know

[BritishBoxing92]

I know both boxers have agreed to submit theirselves to a more stringent random OST as per their contract. I tried searching some articles here regarding the stipulations with this kind of test as this may become a good precedence of things to come in the sport so please bear with me if i ask the following:

1. Since this is a random test, until when will the testing be conducted? Is there a cutoff date, maximum number of times the test should be done, and is the test extended until right after the fight?

2. Did both camp agree to have their results be published or announced each time they took a test?

3. What happens if the test is positive to either or both, will it mean the fight gets cancelled and the offender gets suspended from boxing?

4. Since the agency conducting the test is a private entity, do they they have the power to instill punitive action or penalties to a boxer that is found positive?

5. Have any random test taken place yet? The fight is only 4 weeks away but until now there's no news if how many times or if they already did.

6. Do you think they should be as transparent with it now so as to quash any more doubts that it is just a ploy of Floyd to scuttle his fight with Manny?

Would love to hear from you guys if you have heard any news regarding this as i believe only good can come out of this if the participants really is honest on spearheading in cleaning the sport.

interesting questions you ask..

[PAKYO]

Yes USADA does have the power to suspend and penalize either fighter who tests positive because each fighter agreed to USADA standards and rules. Meaning I believe they signed something with that agency so they are bound by the rules to whatever they agreed to. So you all right that the commissions don't have anything to do with the USADA regulations but if the fighter independently agreed then yes the fighters do still have abide by those rules or that is a breach of the agreement.

Can you please tell me what actions can be made if either party breach that part of the agreement?

Let's say one of them is found positive, fight cancelled and boxer got a self-imposed suspension.

What can the other party do if that other party violates and breaks his self-imposed suspension or not finish his self-imposed penalty?

Does the other party gains monetarily if the other fighter breach his self-imposed penalties or suspension?

A stipulation of the signed contract between floyd-mosley would be highly appreciated if anyone can post it here and explain it.

[check hook]

[QUOTE=PAKYO;7926368]1 and 2 - Thanks for the info

3 and 4 - So the agency really has no power to impose any penalties as they are not a governing body.

5. - I hope they really did.

6. As a fan of floyd, aren't you worried about this? Have you checked the prohibited substance list from WADA?[/QUOTE]



nah....Floyd is fuelled by junk food......i doubt he even takes supplements or protein powders.....he is like James Toney......people talk about seeing him at the Drive thru at burger joints in Vegas in the morning hrs......


for the part in bold.......what generally happens is that a sport (i'll use AFL here in Australia) will outsource it's PED and illicit drug testing to an organisation such as WADA......by doing so the sport (and it's participants) agree to all the procedures of WADA and their bans are legitimised. If an AFL player test postive for Steroids for example they would be given a ban of 2 years under WADA rules......because the AFL has outsourced all testing to the independent body they recognise the WADA ban and enforce it.


In my view if SSM or Floyd copped a 2 year ban...who would enforce it????
The NSAC does it's own testing and does not recognise WADA. Floyd has dispensed with paying a sanctioning fee because "belts collect dust" so i don't seee the WBA stepping in. This is the problem with boxing??? Too many organisations and commissions.....who has juristiction????? Margarito cops a ban in one state...so re-applies in Texas......same thing Tyson did after biting Holyfield....he copped a ban...so what...he went and got a license in Memphis.

This is why boxing is a peripheral sport. It hasn't modernised and moved with the times....in fact it has gone in reverse. Once upon a time the WBC was all that mattered.....now it's a rabble. Until boxing has a centralised body it will remain on the fringes.