so last night, an american owned a european.

[-Spinal-]

I don't see Europeans running around NSB laughing at Chambers getting completely and utterly dominated in embarrassing fashion by Wlad. So why do I see Yanks running around NSB laughing at a guy who gave Dirrell a good fight.

Chambers was a heavy underdog, why would Europeans brag about that? Go ahead do it, brag about Wlad beating Chambers. Then what? Calzaghe beating Jones, Abraham beating Taylor. Ward/Dirrell are green pro fighters but experienced amateur fighters. Froch/Kessler/Abraham are some of the best Europeans fighters at the higher weights. That's why fat yanks are talking so much about it. Wlad was supposed to beat Chambers. Dirrell-Abraham was a 50-50 fight for the majority of fight fans. Ward-Kessler, a lot of people thought it was 55-45 in favor of Kessler. They both got outboxed. Even in a TKO loss for Taylor, he outboxed Froch for 12 rounds before getting stopped.

With that said, I thought Abraham was going to win but he got badly outboxed by Dirrell.

[mathed]

Basically Europeans rule one division

What division do Asian/Mexicans rule? Mexican boxing is pretty much dead

HEAVYWEIGHT (UNLIMITED)
WBA WBC IBF WBO
David Haye Vitali Klitschko Wladimir Klitschko Wladimir Klitschko

CRUISERWEIGHT (200 POUNDS)
WBA WBC IBF WBO
Guillermo Jones Vacant Vacant Marco Huck

LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT (175 POUNDS)
WBA WBC IBF WBO
Beibut Shumenov (a) Jean Pascal Tavoris Cloud Jurgen Brahmer

SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT (168 POUNDS)
WBA WBC IBF WBO
(b) Andre Ward Carl Froch Lucian Bute Robert Stieglitz

MIDDLEWEIGHT (160 POUNDS)
WBA WBC IBF WBO
Felix Sturm (c) Kelly Pavlik Sebastian Sylvester Kelly Pavlik

JUNIOR MIDDLEWEIGHT/SUPER WELTERWEIGHT (154 POUNDS)
WBA WBC IBF WBO
(d) Yuri Foreman Sergio Martinez Cory Spinks (e) Sergei Dzindziruk

WELTERWEIGHT (147 POUNDS)
WBA WBC IBF WBO
(f) Shane Mosley Andre Berto Jan Zaveck Manny Pacquiao

JUNIOR WELTERWEIGHT/SUPER LIGHTWEIGHT (140 POUNDS)
WBA WBC IBF WBO
(g) Amir Khan Devon Alexander Devon Alexander Timothy Bradley

LIGHTWEIGHT (135 POUNDS)
WBA WBC IBF WBO
(h) Paulus Moses Humberto Soto Vacant (i) Juan Manuel Marquez

JUNIOR LIGHTWEIGHT/SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT (130 POUNDS)
WBA WBC IBF WBO
(j) Takashi Uchiyama Vitali Tajbert Vacant Roman Martinez

FEATHERWEIGHT (126 POUNDS)
WBA WBC IBF WBO
(k) Chris John Elio Rojas Cristobal Cruz Juan Manuel Lopez

JR. FEATHERWEIGHT/SUPER BANTAMWEIGHT (122 POUNDS)
WBA WBC IBF WBO
(l) Celestino Caballero Toshiaki Nishioka Vacant Wilfredo Vazquez Jr.

BANTAMWEIGHT (118 POUNDS)
WBA WBC IBF WBO
(m) Anselmo Moreno Hozumi Hasegawa Yonnhy Perez (n) Fernando Montiel

JR. BANTAMWEIGHT/SUPER FLYWEIGHT (115 POUNDS)
WBA WBC IBF WBO
(o) Nobuo Nashiro Vic Darchinyan Simphiwe Nondqayi Jorge Arce

FLYWEIGHT (112 POUNDS)
WBA WBC IBF WBO
(p) Daiki Kameda (q) Koki Kameda Moruti Mthalane Omar Narvaez

JUNIOR FLYWEIGHT (108 POUNDS)
WBA WBC IBF WBO
(r) Giovani Segura Rodel Mayol Carlos Tamara (s) Ivan Calderon

STRAWWEIGHT (105 POUNDS)
WBA WBC IBF WBO
Roman Gonzalez Oleydong Sithsamerchai Raul Garcia Donnie Nietes


The bolded guys are the American champs. It can be clearly seen that fighters with Asian names start to show up below 126 pounds and almost every other title holder in the divisions below 126 has a Hispanic last name. The divisions from 160 and up are all dominated by guys with European names.

[Smash]

If you think about it then, americans havnt had any decent SMW's for many years (bar lacy) maybe and when you get a good win or two the whole place seems to erupt in this kind of stuff, its a bit weird if you ask me

[BirdSong]

Chambers was a heavy underdog, why would Europeans brag about that? Go ahead do it, brag about Wlad beating Chambers. Then what? Calzaghe beating Jones, Abraham beating Taylor. Ward/Dirrell are green pro fighters but experienced amateur fighters. Froch/Kessler/Abraham are some of the best Europeans fighters at the higher weights. That's why fat yanks are talking so much about it. Wlad was supposed to beat Chambers. Dirrell-Abraham was a 50-50 fight for the majority of fight fans. Ward-Kessler, a lot of people thought it was 55-45 in favor of Kessler. They both got outboxed. Even in a TKO loss for Taylor, he outboxed Froch for 12 rounds before getting stopped.

With that said, I thought Abraham was going to win but he got badly outboxed by Dirrell.

Yep dirrell stepped up and gave his fans a great show, hes got some nice speed in the ring alrite

[D-MiZe]

I favoured Dirrell over Abraham, because of the style conflicts.

Taylor did not outbox Froch for 12 rounds, he was only a few rounds ahead when Froch stopped him.

[ecko72jc]

If you think about it then, americans havnt had any decent SMW's for many years (bar lacy) maybe and when you get a good win or two the whole place seems to erupt in this kind of stuff, its a bit weird if you ask me

Those were better than goods wins. Both odds on favorites to win the tournament lost to heavy underdogs. Kessler was considered Clazaghes air to the throne.

[Smash]

Those were better than goods wins. Both odds on favorites to win the tournament lost to heavy underdogs. Kessler was considered Clazaghes air to the throne.

Interesting, if they were better than good wins, how come the opponents are complete bums then?

[ecko72jc]

Interesting, if they were better than good wins, how come the opponents are complete bums then?

You never heard those words coming out of my keyboard. The trolls on this forum mean nothing to me.

[adietheforestfa]

This isn't about hate, as it wasn't even the Yanks who made this a US vs Europe battle. The European promoters called this whole event Boxing's Ryder Cup FFS. Insecure..........

So do they play a fourball in the afternoon???

[adietheforestfa]

I favoured Dirrell over Abraham, because of the style conflicts.

Taylor did not outbox Froch for 12 rounds, he was only a few rounds ahead when Froch stopped him.

The AMERICAN experts at ringside Froch v Taylor

1 had Taylor winning after round 11, 1 had Froch winning and 1 had it even.