How many slick African American fighters has May ought?

[Blue Heffner]

I'm saying this...why post about stuff you don't? If I didn't know something I'm not gonna post on boxingscene pretending like I do especially in an attempt to discredit someone. I can respect an opinion as long as they can back it up. Your opinions are nothing but hate in an attempt to discredit someone you obviously don't like. I mean I don't like Floyd, but you'll never see me posting b.s. in an attempt to discredit him and his career.

I don't hate Manny...I dislike majority of his fans because they are bias. O.S.I.R.I.S....Pac won 7 titles/divisions...props and respect...even if I didn't follow his career...when a fighter does that, you will go back and see where he started and watch his earlier fights. That's what we do when fighters before our era changed/set records in the sport, go back and watch. We just have two different opinions about his opponents. I never said he wasn't a good fighter...And I've also been critical of Floyd.

[intoccabile]

let us TEST your boxing knowledge, if you have any

question, whats the WEAKNESS of the shoulder roll defense?

A decent jab can negate it, especially a rangey one.. you can make things
happen without exerting yourself.

A southpaw stance.

a good left hook goes a long way too (going by in ring experience).

It's not the shoulder roll that poses a problem, it's the stance. The only target
for your power hand (unless you're a southpaw) becomes your opponents back (and you get penalized) so alot of guys (if they aren't pressure fighters) kinda get lost looking for a place to land against it.

If you stay in the mans chest though, it makes him square up, gives you more
chances to get off.

Being southpaw makes him square up as well (Floyd had to adopt a Shell and pressure zab)

and once again, a Jab goes a long way.

To go on about this topic.

I expect Mosley to do his pawing/flicking jab multiple times with floyd on the ropes, and try and time a right hand to floyds ribs often when he goes to roll that paw. Mosley will do this often in teh fight, it will be his only real offense. Still will lose a UD though.

[Khalid X]

let us TEST your boxing knowledge, if you have any

question, whats the WEAKNESS of the shoulder roll defense?

Man you are just wasting your time. I mean it's obvious these guys are just saying this to discredit Manny. I mean I dislike alot of fighters but I never go outta my way to post b.s. in an attempt to discredit them.

Boxers I dislike
1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.-I still consider him one of the top 5 defensive fighters of alltime, one of the best of this generation, and the smartest fighter I have ever seen

2. Marco Antonio Barrera-I still say he had the greatest run at FW, is top 5 in that division in my book and I give him full credit for beating my favorite fighter of all time, prince naseem hamed

3. Lennox Lewis-The greatest HW of our era. Beat the best and is one of the ATG.

See even though I dislike these fighters, I will never post b.s. in an attempt to discredit them, unlike most posters in this thread and on these forums. Also while I can respect peoples opinions, I can't respect hating on another man like a b1tch just because you don't like them. Even boxers I hate, I still give full credit for there accomplishments.

[M.I Truth ?]

yea in post fight interviews lol. convenient political ploy to blame your opponents for the fight not happening when you control all the shots. behind the scenes he didn't want any that was clear. even his dad said never to match him with southpaws.

Well I guess thays just how u feel bro. Floyd at 130/135 didnt seem to cherry picking and just fought. Politics always play a part but it seemed that Floyd was not the cause for the fight not happening in this instance. I get that you dont like the guy but that doesnt make everything his fault either.

[daggum]

Call his own shots? What are you talking about? Floyd was still under Top Rank back when he fought at 135. I don't even think he was p4p king yet. How could he call his own shots? He didn't get that ability until after the Zab Judah fight, when he left Top Rank and joined Golden Boy.

he had a huge hbo contract. now do you think they wanted him to fight carlos hernandez, phillip ndou, victoriano sosa, etc... or joel casamayor? hmmm i wonder? once he got that huge contract he went soft. hbo shouldn't have let him but what can you do they did.

[daggum]

Well I guess thays just how u feel bro. Floyd at 130/135 didnt seem to cherry picking and just fought. Politics always play a part but it seemed that Floyd was not the cause for the fight not happening in this instance. I get that you dont like the guy but that doesnt make everything his fault either.

yes that is true until he got that huge contract. he paid his dues and fought tough opponents until he got that money. look at the quality of competition after he fought corrales. besides castillo its all tune ups. no career defining fights against casamayor, freitas or guys like that. he coasted for the majority of his career doing the bare minimum to satsify people.

[Khalid X]

I don't hate Manny...I dislike majority of his fans because they are bias. O.S.I.R.I.S....Pac won 7 titles/divisions...props and respect...even if I didn't follow his career...when a fighter does that, you will go back and see where he started and watch his earlier fights. That's what we do when fighters before our era changed/set records in the sport, go back and watch. We just have two different opinions about his opponents. I never said he wasn't a good fighter...And I've also been critical of Floyd.

Ok I'm gonna man up and appologize for calling you a clown. That was mosdef uncalled for and I actually blasted you because I'm sick of people posting that because I see their agenda's. You just happened to post this at the time I was pretty much feed up with people saying that. If you truly believe this, I can respect that, as long as you can back it up.

What I don't like (and this is not you) is other posters saying Pac has ducked slick AA fighters. To me that is very racist (I'm black by the way) because they are implying indirectly blacks are the only slick fighters and blacks are somehow above other races (which is b.s.). Again I was very pissed because I see the same posters posting the same thing over and over again (your not one of them, because this is the first post I have seen from you saying this).

So that is why I went off like I did on you. It wasn't fair, but honestly I was tired of it and you happened to post that at the time I felt like ripping someone. Nothing personal, I just hate how people on NSB make it a job to tear down a fighter because they don't like them.

[BoxerDood]

he had a huge hbo contract. now do you think they wanted him to fight carlos hernandez, phillip ndou, victoriano sosa, etc... or joel casamayor? hmmm i wonder? once he got that huge contract he went soft. hbo shouldn't have let him but what can you do they did.

I love how you picked those fights out, but completely ignored fights like Castillo and Genero Hernandez. And like I said, Casamayor declined the bout until Floyd moved up. He was completely irrelevent before he stopped Chico anyways, so how did Floyd duck him? What's next? Are you gonna say Casamayor chased Floyd out of 135? That would be useless, because I already provided an interview where Casamayor clearly states that Floyd would never duck him.

[daggum]

I love how you picked those fights out, but completely ignored fights like Castillo and Genero Hernandez. And like I said, Casamayor declined the bout until Floyd moved up. He was completely irrelevent before he stopped Chico anyways, so how did Floyd duck him? What's next? Are you gonna say Casamayor chased Floyd out of 135? That would be useless, because I already provided an interview where Casamayor clearly states that Floyd would never duck him.

hernandez was before he got the contract like i said. he had to put in his dues and fight tough guys while he was coming up to prove himself. but once he got all that money he coasted. he had to take the castillo fight. freitas and casamayor were coming for him at 130 so he moved up and took the easier looking challenge based on styles against castillo. would he rather fight a slick southpaw(casamayor) and a big puncher(freitas) or a slow pressure fighter in castillo? he chose castillo and it turned out to be tougher task then he expected.

and it's so obvious he's just saying that in hopes floyd will fight him. you ever been nice to someone so that they would give you something?. so if margarito says floyd would never duck him does that make it true? have some common sense.

[Blue Heffner]

Ok I'm gonna man up and appologize for calling you a clown. That was mosdef uncalled for and I actually blasted you because I'm sick of people posting that because I see their agenda's. You just happened to post this at the time I was pretty much feed up with people saying that. If you truly believe this, I can respect that, as long as you can back it up.

What I don't like (and this is not you) is other posters saying Pac has ducked slick AA fighters. To me that is very racist (I'm black by the way) because they are implying indirectly blacks are the only slick fighters and blacks are somehow above other races (which is b.s.). Again I was very pissed because I see the same posters posting the same thing over and over again (your not one of them, because this is the first post I have seen from you saying this).

So that is why I went off like I did on you. It wasn't fair, but honestly I was tired of it and you happened to post that at the time I felt like ripping someone. Nothing personal, I just hate how people on NSB make it a job to tear down a fighter because they don't like them.

It's cool man, I understand. I wasn't pissed off or anything. But I only respond or back up what I say extensively if I think they person would understand or "get it" and that's very rare. So I usually post my generic **** and move on because it has been stated. I do have the ability to give reasons why I like or dislike him or why I think he'd win over him or them and my history. If I didn't I would not be here either.