What if Pacquiao really was on steroids?

[Devils Advocate]

Realistically, Pacquaio, or any athlete, could very well be on steroids. There's not very much we can do but wait for a conclusive positive test or somebody reliable linking him to steroids. So far, we have neither, so he should get the benefit of doubt.

I haven't seen the Jim Rome interview yet, but from what I hear, Roach kind of "threw Pacquiao under the bus." As a big Pacquiao fan, I must say this is very odd and su****ious. We had Ariza first declaring that Pacquiao had no idea what he takes. Then again, Ariza did say it took him pleading with Roach to talk to Pacquiao, to even have him take vitamins. Don't get me wrong, I highly doubt he's on anything, but I can see where the su****ion lies.

If he was on steroids, though, how would everybody react? IMO, it would be a huge blow to boxing in the mainstream. I bet NSB will go wild if this was found out to be true. Some even will be elated, because "they were right" in their su****ions. As a boxing fan, would that be the right reaction though? I know I would be crushed. We've had other boxers testing positive, and were forgiven or didn't receive much backlash, like Mosley. With Pacquiao's popularity, mainstream appeal, and nice-guy persona, would he ever be forgiven? Plus this late in his career, steroids will cap off his legacy. In the end, boxing as a whole, not Pacquiao, will receive tremendous backlash from the mainstream, like baseball did. I haven't paid much attention to baseball since, and I know many casual fans would do the same.

Freddie Roach's career as a trainer would be done as well!!

[LeeVanCleef]

Freddie Roach's career as a trainer would be done as well!!

Roach may be brash but also at this point of his career he can't afford to risk it by giving his money-making machine PEDs.

[PAKYO]

...then he should fight the Klitchkos brothers

I want pac to fight PWill!

dumbass *******s wouldnt care and would say since he's a smaller guy that it evens things out...

Hhmmm...thanks, that would be a nice counter-argument.

Honestly! IF he was i wouldnt care. I dont mind athletes taking roids. The only reason its illegal is cause you got ****** high school kids that dont know what their doing taking roids the wrong way and end up losing their balls and growing a vagina.

I'm actually suspecting a self-proclaimed "greatest" boxer currently who's growing up a *****, he's got some lady's hand also and very fragile.

and thats di****able of you jjust like him. think of the harm hes potentially done to other boxers. not to mention his career, titles and belts are completely fabricated and won by cheating.

he should be stripped, banned, and outcasted from the sport. plain and simple

it figures you *******s would still stand behind a complete fraud. who has no honor.

it only explains the numerous excuses you clowns come up with daily

I don't consider Flicker a ******* at all, he seems to be a casual fan just like myself.

I'd bet you'd commit suicide if floyd gets exposed using ped and other banned substances all along...no, i'm actually hoping you'd commit suicide.

[Pacquiao'd]

Alright, a fair answer. At the very least, this is an area waiting to be opened, and I could see how the lawsuit by Pacquiao would happen (if they ever go to trial):

The court will most likely ask the courts to subpoena Ariza and Tom, plus the substances used for their clients on this matter. Then their clients may be required to give blood/urine/hair samples for tests as mandated by the courts (using maybe an independent laboratory?). Other laboratory screening tests may be needed as well. The courts will also ask experts (we're talking about doctors, scientists, lab ****) on this field, and devote a significant amount of time to check if there are case studies made already on sports nutrition correlated with PEDs (which by the way, every Sports Medicine department in every hospital and university has a library of journals/case studies in the United States alone), after all we want the statistics/numbers here. Then they'll summon the NSAC and the USADA to the court as well to present their cases on why these tests are endorsed by the opposing camps (which means another round of experts and studies again). Top Rank and GBP will be asked to submit if they comply to the NSAC or other state athletic commissions' drug testing policies as well.

Then the trainers' themselves: Roach and Roger, giving statements and documentation to support their case.

Finally the man who started it all, Senior. The ball is in his court. The burden of proof lies in his statements.

But we need to speed things up (after all any fan of Boxing would want the match to happen like, next week?), but the US courts aren't exactly the type to resort to shortcuts in justice, aren't they? Or are they?

It will be time-consuming and by the time the verdict is out, both of these P4P kings have retired. One is an elected official and the other, uh, Idk.

that whole process would slowly make them break down and tell the truth if pac is on something.

the being that the hands of the justice system turns slowly; if pac and his team are guilty combined with the fact that if they lie, they'd be in a world of trouble...the slow pace of the case and their guilty conscience would be enough to break them and make them tell the truth.

im pretty sure of that.

[Pacquiao'd]

I want pac to fight PWill!



Hhmmm...thanks, that would be a nice counter-argument.



I'm actually suspecting a self-proclaimed "greatest" boxer currently who's growing up a *****, he's got some lady's hand also and very fragile.



I don't consider Flicker a ******* at all, he seems to be a casual fan just like myself.

I'd bet you'd commit suicide if floyd gets exposed using ped and other banned substances all along...no, i'm actually hoping you'd commit suicide.

and heres where you fail again, "casual" *******.

floyd is willing to subject himself to OST to show hes clean. if he isnt clean, then why would he elect to be tested?

its not rocket science.

youve been Pee'D-OWNED

[baracuda]

and heres where you fail again, "casual" *******.

floyd is willing to subject himself to OST to show hes clean. if he isnt clean, then why would he elect to be tested?

its not rocket science.

youve been Pee'D-OWNED

floyd never demanded OST before the talks of a pac fight you dummy, then all of a sudden he wants it?.....your boy is a ***** that is why he cant get no respect like packy, he's the biggest ***** in boxing...

[Pacquiao'd]

floyd never demanded OST before the talks of a pac fight you dummy, then all of a sudden he wants it?.....your boy is a ***** that is why he cant get no respect like packy, he's the biggest ***** in boxing...

which has nothing to do with anything.

he didnt feel the other opponents were on anything, obviously. he feels pac is and thats why he put OST inthe contract.

the end

[LeeVanCleef]

that whole process would slowly make them break down and tell the truth if pac is on something.

the being that the hands of the justice system turns slowly; if pac and his team are guilty combined with the fact that if they lie, they'd be in a world of trouble...the slow pace of the case and their guilty conscience would be enough to break them and make them tell the truth.

im pretty sure of that.

Or, on the flip side IF there is no case at all, and Senior may find himself fumbling for answers as to why he did it in the first place.

Boxing fans will be pissed, but the American taxpayers are going to feel worse (regardless of who wins), because of the long and expensive trial (not to mention the tests) this has turned out to be, and they're PAYING for it.

I haven't mentioned the congressional inquiry may lurking in the wings, as they did on the MLB, as well. Which might make the American taxpaying public livid, if it happens.

The only reason (in my opinion) they are not touching the subject is that boxing is not an American institution, unlike baseball. The other unofficial reason: Vegas. Atlantic City. New York. Any major ******** operation that churns out money day in and day out. Keeping the state financially viable through taxation from the ******** operators' establishments. In turn making the state happy, your congressmen happy, your senators happy.

And you believe Junior's mission is cleaning up the sport from PEDs? I doubt it. He'd be fighting every elected official in the land if that were the case. And there is not even a petition letter coming from him addressed to the NSAC or even his congressman for crying out loud.

Speaking of Baseball, McGuire did break down and confessed he did steroids after how many years. But that's another topic in the lounge.

[namme]

Actually, you're wrong about that. There are NO state commissions that do blood testing for steroids. They only do urine tests after the fight.

As for the blood tests that are taken ahead of the fight, those are simply done for Hepatitis B & C and HIV and are not even taken by the commission. The fighter goes to the lab of their own choosing and the results are sent to the commission for Hep and HIV only. The commission doesnt even have legal standing to call the lab and ask them to check the blood for steroids. Medical privacy laws prohibit that.

Then all boxers before this Olympic type of drug testing came up can be accused or maybe presumed to have taken steroids/hgh/epo/PEDs. Even those 40 fights of Floyd can be questionable now just because everything the state commissions did in the past were all highly questionable!

[bojangles1987]

Then he is on steroids. Wouldn't support him, wouldn't completely hate him, but he would be tainted.

I would love to get some kind of estimation of how many boxers are on some type of PED, probably a disturbing number.