Will there ever be a dynamic, skilled and athletic Heavyweight like Ali again?

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  • B.U.R.N.E.R
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    #141
    Originally posted by Pirao
    And a black person will never be a great tennis player, so what's your point?

    There have already been white winners in 100m dash, but of course your ignorant ass didn't know it.
    Serena and Venus Williams?

    The heck went on in this thread when I left...lol.

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    • Junito-Rulez
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      #142
      Sam Peter does.

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      • Pirao
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        #143
        Originally posted by No Ceilings
        Serena and Venus Williams?

        The heck went on in this thread when I left...lol.
        I was refering to males.

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          #144
          Originally posted by Pirao
          I was refering to males.
          Arthur Ashe , one of the best ever to do it

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            #145
            Originally posted by malikom
            Arthur Ashe , one of the best ever to do it

            You on crack? 3 grand slam titles don't make you a great tennis players, very good player yes, great no. Gustavo Kuerten has 3 grand slam titles too and nobody considers him great.

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              #146
              Originally posted by Pirao
              You on crack? 3 grand slam titles don't make you a great tennis players, very good player yes, great no. Gustavo Kuerten has 3 grand slam titles too and nobody considers him great.
              Tennins isnt popular Among African-Americans.

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                #147
                Originally posted by No Ceilings
                Tennins isnt popular Among African-Americans.
                And American football is not popular outside of USA.

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                  #148
                  Originally posted by Pirao
                  And American football is not popular outside of USA.
                  I agree.....

                  Maybe in a few spots. London, Mexico, etc..The NFL is trying to expand.

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                    #149
                    Not of his level but yeah it has to happen sometime.

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                      #150
                      Originally posted by No Ceilings
                      Wlad is skilled and athletic But hes no Ali by any stretch of the imagination. Two completely different level of fighters.
                      From Langford, Dempsey, Tunney, Louis, Marciano, Frazier, Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Lennox, Klitschko's
                      are all on the same level. they have different strengths and attributes and h2h vs eachother it comes down to styles. imo


                      Originally posted by Erik18
                      it's a known fact. Genetics my friend.

                      Im white too so im not racist and the thing aboout black people being more athletic is not just something ive come up with by myself, it's called science.

                      You will never see a white Jordan, you will never see a white Usain Bolt and you will never see a white Reggie Bush.
                      Something tells me that you know very little about science, genetics, or facts.

                      Originally posted by AmericanYeti
                      It sounds bad, but he's right to a point. Black Americans are often superior athletes do to one ugly fact: slavery. The bigger, stronger, faster ****** were often bred together to make "super-******." After a few hundred years, it' easy to see how this results in natural athletic superiority.
                      1) This is a myth. I'm sure that isolated instances could be found but your implying that it was a widespread and common occurrence is simply wrong.

                      2) Even if this was the standard practice, which it was not, the differences that do exist between races have developed over thousands of years, tens of thousands. You thinking that 200 years would make some huge difference is wrong.

                      3) Slavery has taken place everywhere. Central/South America, Europe, Middle East, Africa, Asia etc. Even if you 'theory' was correct why would you assume that the same thing hasn't taken place everywhere else, creating "super duper humans' everywhere.


                      Originally posted by Erik18
                      The ones dominating UFC are Anderson Silva and st.Pierre.

                      A white guy dominates one sport and all of the sudden they are more athletic than black guys?

                      Fact: A white person will never win an olympic gold in 100m dash. this has to do with genetics, white people aren't arent as explosive as black people are.
                      Olympic Lifters are generally said to be the most explosive athletes.

                      Since studies have revealed that Olympic lifters are the second most flexible athletes next to gymnasts, you get the added bonus of increased mobility. Research done on Olympians at the 1964 Olympics in Mexico revealed
                      that Olympic lifters had higher vertical leap than high jumpers and faster 25 meter sprint times than 100m sprinters.


                      Below link is the database for medal results for Olympic Weightlifting. Browse all you like and take note of European success.



                      Your claims are subjective, words like 'explosive' and 'athletic' could be attached to anything sport. You choosing jumping and running as your basis for what you consider the definition of 'best'........what if the next person thinks football (soccer) and swimming is the 'ultimate'. Understand?

                      Using your jumping and running definition though. Olympic lifters run over 25 meters faster than the fastest sprinters. So one could say lifters are fastest, why 100m?

                      Jumping. From 1961 - 1987 the World record for High Jump was not held by a single Black Man. 10 Different men 9 White and 1 Asian held the title. Finally in 1987 1 Black Man from Cuba held the record and still does.

                      So since only 1 Black, 9 Whites, 1 Asian does that mean that a greater quantity of the European population are better jumpers since their representation is more numerous by different individuals at the top of the sport?


                      The World Record High Jump for Females is held by a Bulgarian

                      On the below link, go to Top Performers and you can see Mens and Womens Indoor and Outdoor results. Almost all are European.




                      All that said, using jumping and running as the definition for what to consider the 'Pinnacle of Athleticism" would not be my selection. Strength would definitely have to be included in that equation, not sure what else at the moment.

                      Even with that as your definition the conclusions that you've reached don't seem to reflect the reality.

                      P.S. Stop throwing around the word 'fact'. If you do then state some with proof.
                      Last edited by Mikhnienko; 03-25-2010, 06:40 PM.

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