If Hopkins Beat Jones Jr and then Beat David Haye, Would he a top 10 ATG?

[General Zod]

Side note there isnt a Middleweight Id pick to beat a Prime Hopkins other then Robinson. Not counting Jones ofcourse.

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[Mr. Philadel]

B.Hop is ALREADY top 50......his resume from the time he turned 40 is better than MOST dudes ENTIRE careers!!

[General Zod]

Hmmmmm. Really. Hopkins would of won more title at more weights, and I think thats going to far saying he had much better wins. Like to compare?

This is including if he beats Haye and Jones also.

Hopkins's resume of wins.
John David Jackson
Glen Johnson
Simon Brown
Felix Trinidad (40-0)
Oscar De La Hoya
Antonio Tarver
Ronald Wright
Kelly Pavlik
David Haye
Roy Jones Jr

Thats a damn impressive resume of wins. And Conn's is no way much better.

John David Jackson: was washed up and coming off a los to a 9-6 fighter
Simone Brown: was a washed up career ww
Felix: good win, but Felix is 3-2 at MW, so a good win, not a great win
Oscar: lost to Sturm and Hopkins i.e poor MW
Tarver: solid win
Wright: moved uo two divisions, career jmw
Pavlik: moved up two divisions, has done nothing at lhw
David Haye: wont happen
Jones: you know Hopkins lost that fight, right?


This according to you is a great resume?
The best guys hopkins has fought are: Calzaghe, Tarver, Jones, Taylor and he is 1-4 in those fights, what does that tell you?

[General Zod]

B.Hop is ALREADY top 50......his resume from the time he turned 40 is better than MOST dudes ENTIRE careers!!

I hope you are joking with this comment? What prime fighters who were fighting in their prime weight classes has Hopkins ever beat at any stage of his career?

[r.burgundy]

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Dude, you're telling me you consider Conn a better defensive fighter than Pep, even though you already stated its almost impossible (Your opinion) to judge a fighter with so little footage. On top of that there is tons more footage of Pep and the majority of experts consider him if not the best defensive fighter all time, one of the top 3. You're telling me you formed that opinion, an opinion that contradicts fans and experts alike, from JUST the Louis fight? (sigh) You gotta be freakin kidding me.

there isnt tons more footage of pep.ive been able to find 6 fights.mite be more out there but thats all ive been able to scrounge up.conn looked great defensivley against 1 of the most accurate k.o artist at heavy weight in history,and her stasrted out at 140.i hold that in much higher regard than what pep does against the limited comp he faced.and because there is so little footage of conn,i cant rate him that highly as far as atg goes.and experts say he was great defensivly as well

[JAB5239]

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there isnt tons more footage of pep.ive been able to find 6 fights.mite be more out there but thats all ive been able to scrounge up.conn looked great defensivley against 1 of the most accurate k.o artist at heavy weight in history,and her stasrted out at 140.i hold that in much higher regard than what pep does against the limited comp he faced.and because there is so little footage of conn,i cant rate him that highly as far as atg goes.and experts say he was great defensivly as well

What exactly was limiterd about his comp? This is a list of all the top 10 fighters Pep fought. Lets remember that they were top 10 for the one and only title, not just some alphabet organization. hhascup sent me this list. He accidentally repeated a few names on it since Pep fought those guys multiple times. Now, how many top 10 fighters has Hopkins fought that were ranked by all 4 organizations at the same time? If you really think Hop could be a top 10 all time by beating Jones and Haye (which is ridiculous) than you have to admit how great Pep was.

1. Pedro Hernandez
2. Bobby Poison Ivy
3. Chalky Wright
4. Allie Stolz
5. Sammy Angott
6. Sal Bartolo
7. Jackie Wilson
8. Sal Bartolo
9. Willie Joyce
10. Manuel Ortiz
11. Lulu Costantino
12. Joey Peralta
13. Charles Cabey Lewis
14. Chalky Wright (2)
15. Charles Cabey Lewis (2)
16. Chalky Wright (3)
17. Willie Roache
18. Phil Terranova
19. Jackie Wilson (2)
20. Sal Bartolo (2)
21. Jackie Graves
22. Chalky Wright (4)
23. Jock Leslie
24. Miguel Acevedo
25. Paddy DeMarco
26. Sandy Saddler
27. Sandy Saddler (2)
28. Charley Riley
29. Ray Famechon
30. Sandy Saddler (3)
31. Sandy Saddler (4)
32. Tommy Collins
33. Lulu Perez
34. Hogan Kid Bassey
35. Sonny Leon

[AntDawg]

it's true the Jones win is moot and doesn't even count towards ANYONE'S legacy at this point. I could probably beat Jones at this point. Maybe I should join Joes vs. Pros.

You would just end up like Lacey but probably worse

[r.burgundy]

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What exactly was limiterd about his comp? This is a list of all the top 10 fighters Pep fought. Lets remember that they were top 10 for the one and only title, not just some alphabet organization. hhascup sent me this list. He accidentally repeated a few names on it since Pep fought those guys multiple times. Now, how many top 10 fighters has Hopkins fought that were ranked by all 4 organizations at the same time? If you really think Hop could be a top 10 all time by beating Jones and Haye (which is ridiculous) than you have to admit how great Pep was.

1. Pedro Hernandez
2. Bobby Poison Ivy
3. Chalky Wright
4. Allie Stolz
5. Sammy Angott
6. Sal Bartolo
7. Jackie Wilson
8. Sal Bartolo
9. Willie Joyce
10. Manuel Ortiz
11. Lulu Costantino
12. Joey Peralta
13. Charles Cabey Lewis
14. Chalky Wright (2)
15. Charles Cabey Lewis (2)
16. Chalky Wright (3)
17. Willie Roache
18. Phil Terranova
19. Jackie Wilson (2)
20. Sal Bartolo (2)
21. Jackie Graves
22. Chalky Wright (4)
23. Jock Leslie
24. Miguel Acevedo
25. Paddy DeMarco
26. Sandy Saddler
27. Sandy Saddler (2)
28. Charley Riley
29. Ray Famechon
30. Sandy Saddler (3)
31. Sandy Saddler (4)
32. Tommy Collins
33. Lulu Perez
34. Hogan Kid Bassey
35. Sonny Leon

this is my exact issue though.these guys are top 10 guys but why should i take bert sugars word on how good they are?in sports,seeing is believing.outta the 25 guys on that list,how many of them have you actually seen fight?how many would you be impressed with,and can you see these guys competing today?i cant.saddy sandler would lead boxing in d.q's if he were fighting today.i cant imagine him beating a barrera,marquez,morales.hamed or kevin kelly at featherweight.same goes for pep.the 1 fighter i think was really special was flash ellorde but he doesnt get the same respect

[Mr. Fantastic]

John David Jackson: was washed up and coming off a los to a 9-6 fighter
Simone Brown: was a washed up career ww
Felix: good win, but Felix is 3-2 at MW, so a good win, not a great win
Oscar: lost to Sturm and Hopkins i.e poor MW
Tarver: solid win
Wright: moved uo two divisions, career jmw
Pavlik: moved up two divisions, has done nothing at lhw
David Haye: wont happen
Jones: you know Hopkins lost that fight, right?


This according to you is a great resume?
The best guys hopkins has fought are: Calzaghe, Tarver, Jones, Taylor and he is 1-4 in those fights, what does that tell you?

Nothing but ownage.

[SplitSecond]

that'd be a really good achievement, not sure about top 10, but he'd be high up