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Originally posted by Dave Rado View PostAli leaned on Frazier's neck all night long in their second fight.
But it's not a good example since Ali is holding Foreman using his arms around his neck, while the real problem with leaning is the extra weight your opponent puts on your back. So Ali wasn't putting no weight on Foreman, he was just immobilizing his movement. Maybe it gives a sore neck, but it doesn't tire you out. Ali vs Foreman was holding, not leaning.
Wlad has the perfect stature to use that dirty kind of tactics, which he does everytime he gets the chance.
I'm so sick of people who won't hear the slightest critic about the Klits (I'm not talking about you Rado).
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Originally posted by Dave Rado View PostAli leaned on Frazier's neck all night long in their second fight.
Yes, since Frazier had a small stature, Ali did put his weight on his neck in the second fight. Even if it is Ali, it's still a dirty tactic. But Ali didn't do it systematically throughout his careerlike Wlad...
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Originally posted by tourlou82 View PostI misread the name... Frazier...
Yes, since Frazier had a small stature, Ali did put his weight on his neck in the second fight. Even if it is Ali, it's still a dirty tactic. But Ali didn't do it systematically throughout his careerlike Wlad...
Ali rarely used that tactic because it wouldn't usually have worked for him, not necessarily for any ethical reason. He certainly never said anything to imply he felt any remorse for having used that tactic against Frazier.
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Originally posted by Dave Rado View PostHopkins systematically used dirty tactics throughout most of his career, so did Duran, Marciano, Saddler, and other ATGs. Maybe not the particular dirty tactics Wlad uses, but to imply that ATGs don't resort to systematic use of dirty tactics to gain an advantage is wrong. In an ideal world there would be no dirty tactics used in boxing, but this is the real world.
Ali rarely used that tactic because it wouldn't usually have worked for him, not necessarily for any ethical reason. He certainly never said anything to imply he felt any remorse for having used that tactic against Frazier.
Dirty fighting is part of the game... But that doesn't mean a fighter should not retaliate when he tastes some of it.
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Originally posted by tourlou82 View PostI've never said or implied that... Of course, I was talking about that particular dirty tactic which is to lean...
Dirty fighting is part of the game... But that doesn't mean a fighter should not retaliate when he tastes some of it.
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Originally posted by tourlou82 View PostEverything I say, you manipulate. I said body slamming was OK in this particular case. And you should let others think for themselves.
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