Comments Thread For: The Top 25 Heavyweights of All-Time – Top Ten

[knn]

Ask any boxing expert

What makes them an expert? Why should I ask them? I have my own eyes to see and my own brain to analyze someone's whole career.

Byrd claimed he was under 200 lbs at the time he fought Wladimir.

The official scale claimed something else.

You believe George Foreman for saying he was drugged even though there is no official proof

How could there EVER be an official proof in the 70ies in the deep African jungle? I take Foreman's word about his own poisoning very serious.

so who are you to call Byrd a liar? Byrd is a guy who recently dropped down to 175 lbs and also fought at cruiser.

If we exclude opponents who AT SOME TIME IN THEIR CAREERS fought below 200 then Ali's record is 12-1. Stop inventing nonsense-statistics.

He's one of Peter's best wins. If Toney's a bum then Peter can't be much of a fighter either. Peter also struggled with Toney greatly during their first fight.

Peter won 2 times. Or shall we now exclude all fights where Ali "struggled", too?

Toney was ranked among the top 10 heavyweights and for a brief time held the heavyweight title, until busted for steroids.

Another proof for his heavyweight bumness.

You haven't watched his fights. You also do not seem to know anything about boxing

Aaah, after extremely weak arguments like "Byrd's word weighs heavier than the official scale" and "Every boxing expert disagrees with you" you finally resort to personal attacks "You don't know anything" and "You haven't seen any fights" (unfortunately I have).

VERY GOOD.

[BoxingFanFirst]

Klit sisters suck, and deserve to be off this great list.

[TheGreatA]

What makes them an expert? Why should I ask them? I have my own eyes to see and my own brain to analyze someone's whole career.

And since you've used your brains and eyes to analyze these fighters, please tell us why exactly Chris Byrd, Eddie Chambers, Ruslan Chagaev and Sultan Ibragimov are better fighters than Sonny Liston, George Foreman, Joe Frazier and Ken Norton.

I take Foreman's word about his own poisoning very serious.

Probably more serious than he does. It's the same as choosing to believe that Pacquiao lost to Morales because he wore the wrong socks. Fighters make excuses, it's normal.

If we exclude opponents who AT SOME TIME IN THEIR CAREERS fought below 200 then Ali's record is 12-1. Stop inventing nonsense-statistics.

This is what I should be telling you.

Peter won 2 times. Or shall we now exclude all fights where Ali "struggled", too?

Ali didn't struggle with a former middleweight.

Another proof for his heavyweight bumness.

Holding the title is proof of his "bumness"?

Aaah, after extremely weak arguments like "Byrd's word weighs heavier than the official scale" and "Every boxing expert disagrees with you" you finally resort to personal attacks "You don't know anything" and "You haven't seen any fights" (unfortunately I have).

VERY GOOD.

You didn't respond to half of my arguments. I don't know whether you missed the post entirely or not.

Those aren't personal attacks. I'm not insulting you, only your knowledge. It's just how it seems to be to me after having evaluated your posts. You haven't proven that you've seen these fights, you haven't talked about boxing, just statistics. Anybody could do that. You think Ali was slow, plodding, sloppy, out of shape, which speaks for itself. You either haven't seen his fights or you don't know what you're watching.

The words you used to describe Ali would be more fitting descriptions of the majority of today's heavyweights.

[Suckmedry]

Knn really needs to calm down. Wlad is a very good fighter, but he fights in a weak era, and I honestly don't think he would have beaten Ali, Foreman, or Frazier for example.


And his obsession with weight is ridiculous. Just because Ali fought at or beat guys who were a little south of 200 doesn't mean those guys weren't good fighters.

Eddie Chambers is one of Wlad's best wins, yet he weighed in at 209 last week, and clearly was carrying in my opinion about 15-20 lbs of useless excess fat.

If Eddie weighed in at 195, would that mean the win is now not as good? No, would probably make the win count more because more likely than not Eddie would be a better fighter weighing in the 190's with his fat trimmed off him.

The guys Ali fought who weighed below 200, were meant to be weighing that low, that was their fighting weight. Most of them carried little to no fat at those weights.

[Suckmedry]

Just look at the videos GreatA posted.

Ali and Folley both look in top shape.

Pter and McCline look like bloated slugs.

[boxingking500]

Knn really needs to calm down. Wlad is a very good fighter, but he fights in a weak era, and I honestly don't think he would have beaten Ali, Foreman, or Frazier for example.


And his obsession with weight is ridiculous. Just because Ali fought at or beat guys who were a little south of 200 doesn't mean those guys weren't good fighters.

Eddie Chambers is one of Wlad's best wins, yet he weighed in at 209 last week, and clearly was carrying in my opinion about 15-20 lbs of useless excess fat.

If Eddie weighed in at 195, would that mean the win is now not as good? No, would probably make the win count more because more likely than not Eddie would be a better fighter weighing in the 190's with his fat trimmed off him.

The guys Ali fought who weighed below 200, were meant to be weighing that low, that was their fighting weight. Most of them carried little to no fat at those weights.

wlad is so good he makes fighters look weak.....

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i think rid**** bowe was the worst heavyweight champ in history, he should be ashamed of his accomplishments. he won the tittle in spectacular fashion ok but that was it! he defended against jesse furgeson & michael dokes (are u kidding) then refused a lewis fight and literally trashed the wbc belt. nuff said with him. i also think lewis and holyfield are rightfully in the top 10 but should trade spots just looking at their accomplishments. no disrespect to either.

Tyson was on the way to becoming #2 but he derailed himself. Still I think he should be much higher than where he is.

Ali
Frazier
Foreman

[TheGreatA]

Wladimir Klitschko's best wins:


6'1 209 lb Eddie Chambers


6'1 219 lb Sultan Ibragimov


6'0 224 lb Ruslan Chagaev


6'0 213 lb Chris Byrd

I don't care about the amount of B-level, non-ranked super heavyweights that he has fought, his best opponents were no bigger than Ali's opponents.

[Suckmedry]

Wladimir Klitschko's best wins:


6'1 209 lb Eddie Chambers


6'1 219 lb Sultan Ibragimov


6'0 224 lb Ruslan Chagaev


6'0 213 lb Chris Byrd

I don't care about the amount of B-level, non-ranked super heavyweights that he has fought, his best opponents were no bigger than Ali's opponents.

And look at those photos. All those guys with the possible exception of Ibragimov could be weighing substantially less.

[Suckmedry]

wlad is so good he makes fighters look weak.....

No, I don't buy that "he is so good" crap. These guys he has been fighting are NOT THAT GOOD.

The quality of HW's in this era is way, way down. That is plain to any non-biased observer.

Wlad is doing the best he can do right now make no mistake, but thing is even though he is dominating the weak era now like he should, he was still stopped 3 times by sub-par fighters before this.