FightHype.com exposes Floyd's weaknesses against Pacquiao

[S A M U R A I]

Their analysis is correct. Those are opportunities to hit Floyd. However, nobody is gonna throw a leaping left hook to hit a southpaw because it leaves too exposed to get hit with a right hook. Also, Manny & Co. can gameplan all they want but as soon as they implement it Floyd is gonna adjust to it and then what. If Manny wants to beat Floyd he's gonna have to out-think Floyd and make adjustments of his own. Manny has all of the physical tools but does he have the boxing IQ? To this point Manny has simply had to be better physically but he really hasnt' had to play chess inside the ring. He's mainly had to what Freddie tells him to. With Floyd or Shane Mosley he can't simply go in there and just fight hard and throw punches.

You need to give more credit. Pacquiao is a fighting master, and you best believe he has the ring IQ. Not all fights are won on textbook technical skills. You know this already though.



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[Piper the Great]

I said this yesterday. The thing is floyd hasn't fought anybody with speed since zab that can counter him. The cult just act like floyd is super sayain 4.

[PensionKiller]

you don't have 500 million.

I'm his alt

[Chups]

500 million points say floyd beats pac.

You don't have the money.

[Left Banned Tua]

You don't have the money.

i have it in my steelhead account.

[F l i c k e r]

[U]THE KANGAROO LEFT HOOK[/U

If Manny is able to slip under Floyd's leaping left and counter it with a RIGHT hook of his own, he would be effective. Another approach for Manny, which is the most difficult, is to TIME Floyd leaping in with one of his own shorter LEFT hooks. This might spell doom for Floyd. Watch the 2nd round of Marquez vs. Mayweather and slow-mo the knockdown; you will see exactly how Floyd leaves himself wide open for a well-timed shot.

First, what the fuck is a kangaroo left hook?

Second, Floyd doesn't throw a leaping left. He doesn't use the lead left to go forward at all. He uses the lead left when going backwards, normally a hook which comes from the blind spot of the opponent as the opponent charges in. Then he steps away to the left, which is out of position for Pacquiao's left hand.

Seeing how you mentioned "may-marq" if you look at that knockdown, it came EXACTLY when Marquez was going to move to come in. If it was done to Pacquiao, it would come from out of Pacquiao's field of view. Which would more than likely knock his ass off balance as he tries a lead left straight, because Pacquiao knocks himself off balance all the time.

This wont work.

FALLING BACK ONTO THE ROPES

Floyd has a habit of reverting backwards to the ropes. He is very comfortable when his opponent comes in. When they try to unload on him, Floyd, for the most part, shoulder rolls out of harm's way and effortlessly counters with rights hands. Notwithstanding, some fighters have found success in landing on Floyd, for he puts himself in a position of vulnerability. His right glove is usually by his chin and when he pulls straight back, his left hand typically dangles by his waist. Many times, Oscar De lahoya, Juan Manuel Marquez, Jose Luis Castillo, Ricky Hatton,and even Emmanuel Augustus pinned Floyd up against the ropes and they landed more punches than Floyd avoided. With Manny's swarming offensive style, he would give Floyd fits. Against the ropes, Floyd is vulnerable to body shots as well. The type of body shots that Manny delivered on Clottey were devastating. Pacquiao is very proficient going downstairs.

This is the problem with those examples of boxers. All of them were larger than Floyd except Hatton and Marquez. Hatton could barely hit him and Marquez ONLY hit him when Marquez was getting hit himself, an example of two counter punchers fighting, Pacquiao ain't a counter puncher. So those examples are fail.

I do agree with the body shots giving him fits in close range. HOWEVER, to effectively do that you need a GREAT JAB. Pacquiao has NO jab. Or at least from what Pacquiao fans on NSB told me, Pacquiao's jab isn't used like the guys you mentioned. Pacquiao's jab is a prodding weapon to get the left straight in. That **** wont work against Floyd. You have to jab first, with a great jab and then come to the body. Pacquiao doesn't have a great jab and nor jabs to come to the body.

This wont work.

VERY ECONOMICAL PUNCH OUTPUT

Manny has a tsunami like punching style. At times, he throws 8-punch combinations from the southpaw stance at very unorthodox angles. This will befuddle Floyd and could make him fight Manny's fight as Zab Judah did. Floyd will be taken out of his comfort zone.

This won't work. Manny's combos get all fuzzed up whenever he fights a counter puncher. Marquez proved this to be true. Before Marquez, Pacquiao was getting off 8 punch combos and ****, when he met Marquez. Pacquiao got off 3 punches which missed and then got hit with a two punch combo, interrupting his whole combination.

Floyd is 10x better than Marquez as countering. Marquez is an offensive counter-puncher, Floyd is a defensive counter puncher. Marquez interrupted Pacquiao's punches when he was backing away. Floyd will interrupt all of Pacquiao's combos unless he is against the ropes.

Using Zab Judah as an example is horrible. Zab was giving Floyd problems because of the JAB. Which Pacquiao doesn't have a great one of. Once Zab's jab was timed, Zab's body was eaten for dinner. Then Zab fell apart. Not to mention Zab's defense > Pacquiao's defense. Zab has a **** load more evasiveness than Pacquiao, even if it only lasts 6 rounds. Pacquiao isn't exactly the hardest thing to hit.

This wont work.

Manny went 17 straight rounds with NO rest. That is 51 uninterrupted minutes of nonstop mitt work! Manny tends to get stronger as the fight continues and this endurance will enable him to outhustle Floyd in the later rounds.

Nonstop mitt work isn't getting punches thrown back at you. That can work against a walking punching bag but not against someone who will move out the way and throw punches back.

Pretty much, Pacquiao has only a puncher's chance. He will have to lay the onslaught of punches on Floyd and hope he can win on the cards with more work.

After saying this though, it will be very hard for Pacquiao to win on the cards by way of more work. If he gets hit 80% of the time each round, he will lose no matter what.

Pacquiao has a punchers chance. If he tries to play the thinking game, he will lose.

[cashdon]

You can throw all that countering the left hook out the window. As others have said Pac is not a counter-puncher. If arguably the 2nd best counter-puncher could scarcely lay a glove on him then countering Floyd is no simple task. I don't even know if Marquez solidly countered Floyd that entire fight. Marquez connects were when he was the aggressor and he did get in a few solid right hands that Floyd took well. Floyd is so smart that many times he realizes when he makes mistakes and either holds or you'll see him dodge anticipated return punches that many times don't even come. Manny has to be first and connect before Floyd's punch arrives. That's where he can do damage He will be very dangerous early but once Floyd gets adjusted I believe he takes over. Speed slows down every puncher's output. I believe just like in the Marquez fights getting countered will confuse and take a bit of Manny's aggression away. I watched their second fight a little while ago and could see at times Pacquiao was unsure of how to attack. I would be curious to see the Compubox stats in the Marquez fights compared to Pac's other fights to see if there is a stark difference in punch output. People equate Floyd's "running" style to thinking that he is soft on the contrary I believe he has a solid chin and in such good shape I have never really seen him affected by any body shots. I just want to see Pac and May fight it is so intriguing. Pac being a southpaw makes it so if he wasn't I'd say he would have little chance. But b4 all that Floyd got to take care of Mosley first.

[Imhotep]

THE KANGAROO LEFT HOOK

Floyd has this move that he executes with amazing athleticism and speed. He leaps in with a left hook. Some have called it "The Kangaroo Left Hook." Floyd Patterson, Charlie Burley, and other great fighters have incorporated this move in their arsenal. It takes exceptional speed and timing for it to be effective. Floyd does this in many of his fights. He nailed Juan Manuel Marquez with it time after time and actually knocked him down in the 2nd round with the same move. However, when he leaps in like this, he leaves himself wide open, but only for a split second. His right hand slightly drops and his chin is exposed. No one has been able to capitalize off of this because of the blinding speed in which Floyd executes it. If Manny is able to slip under Floyd's leaping left and counter it with a RIGHT hook of his own, he would be effective. Another approach for Manny, which is the most difficult, is to TIME Floyd leaping in with one of his own shorter LEFT hooks. This might spell doom for Floyd. Watch the 2nd round of Marquez vs. Mayweather and slow-mo the knockdown; you will see exactly how Floyd leaves himself wide open for a well-timed shot.

FALLING BACK ONTO THE ROPES

Floyd has a habit of reverting backwards to the ropes. He is very comfortable when his opponent comes in. When they try to unload on him, Floyd, for the most part, shoulder rolls out of harm's way and effortlessly counters with rights hands. Notwithstanding, some fighters have found success in landing on Floyd, for he puts himself in a position of vulnerability. His right glove is usually by his chin and when he pulls straight back, his left hand typically dangles by his waist. Many times, Oscar De lahoya, Juan Manuel Marquez, Jose Luis Castillo, Ricky Hatton,and even Emmanuel Augustus pinned Floyd up against the ropes and they landed more punches than Floyd avoided. With Manny's swarming offensive style, he would give Floyd fits. Against the ropes, Floyd is vulnerable to body shots as well. The type of body shots that Manny delivered on Clottey were devastating. Pacquiao is very proficient going downstairs.

VERY ECONOMICAL PUNCH OUTPUT

According to CompuBox stats, Floyd's output average is around 40 punches per round, but with a 48% connect rate. That is an average of 480 punches in a 12 round fight. When Floyd is in this comfort zone, he is very relaxed and in his own rhythm and dictates to his opponents. The domination that he showed over the late warrior Diego Corrales was embarrassing to say the least. Floyd was fighting Floyd's fight at Floyd's pace. "Money May" has what I call "reflexive speed" and when he catches his opponents with it, they are stunned. His opponents tend to think twice about letting their hands go.

Manny's objective must be to make Mayweather fight at a different tempo. It will bring him out of his comfort zone. Zab Judah did this for the 1st half of their fight and even knocked Floyd down with a right hook in the 2nd. . Mayweather's right hand touched the canvas, but referee Richard Steele missed the call. Zab was beating Floyd to the punch and was fighting at a tempo that Floyd could not handle. Zab fizzled out as the fight went into the last half and Floyd came back and won. Manny has a tsunami like punching style. At times, he throws 8-punch combinations from the southpaw stance at very unorthodox angles. This will befuddle Floyd and could make him fight Manny's fight as Zab Judah did. Floyd will be taken out of his comfort zone.

In April of 2009, when Manny was training for Ricky Hatton, Freddie Roach told me personally at the Wildcard Boxing Gym, that Manny went 17 straight rounds with NO rest. That is 51 uninterrupted minutes of nonstop mitt work! Manny tends to get stronger as the fight continues and this endurance will enable him to outhustle Floyd in the later rounds. The trick will be getting Pacquiao's output to land. It will not be easy for Floyd is a MASTER of defensive wizardry.

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While Pacquiao has an extremely high Work rate it can be reduce with movement(Pac is not gonna throw punches in mid air)and it can be reduce with counter punching(If Pac keeps getting countered,it may discourage him form throwing more punches then usual for fear of getting countered, it happened in the rematch of the Marquez fight)

[big_james10]

THE KANGAROO LEFT HOOK

Floyd has this move that he executes with amazing athleticism and speed. He leaps in with a left hook. Some have called it "The Kangaroo Left Hook." Floyd Patterson, Charlie Burley, and other great fighters have incorporated this move in their arsenal. It takes exceptional speed and timing for it to be effective. Floyd does this in many of his fights. He nailed Juan Manuel Marquez with it time after time and actually knocked him down in the 2nd round with the same move. However, when he leaps in like this, he leaves himself wide open, but only for a split second. His right hand slightly drops and his chin is exposed. No one has been able to capitalize off of this because of the blinding speed in which Floyd executes it. If Manny is able to slip under Floyd's leaping left and counter it with a RIGHT hook of his own, he would be effective. Another approach for Manny, which is the most difficult, is to TIME Floyd leaping in with one of his own shorter LEFT hooks. This might spell doom for Floyd. Watch the 2nd round of Marquez vs. Mayweather and slow-mo the knockdown; you will see exactly how Floyd leaves himself wide open for a well-timed shot.

FALLING BACK ONTO THE ROPES

Floyd has a habit of reverting backwards to the ropes. He is very comfortable when his opponent comes in. When they try to unload on him, Floyd, for the most part, shoulder rolls out of harm's way and effortlessly counters with rights hands. Notwithstanding, some fighters have found success in landing on Floyd, for he puts himself in a position of vulnerability. His right glove is usually by his chin and when he pulls straight back, his left hand typically dangles by his waist. Many times, Oscar De lahoya, Juan Manuel Marquez, Jose Luis Castillo, Ricky Hatton,and even Emmanuel Augustus pinned Floyd up against the ropes and they landed more punches than Floyd avoided. With Manny's swarming offensive style, he would give Floyd fits. Against the ropes, Floyd is vulnerable to body shots as well. The type of body shots that Manny delivered on Clottey were devastating. Pacquiao is very proficient going downstairs.

VERY ECONOMICAL PUNCH OUTPUT

According to CompuBox stats, Floyd's output average is around 40 punches per round, but with a 48% connect rate. That is an average of 480 punches in a 12 round fight. When Floyd is in this comfort zone, he is very relaxed and in his own rhythm and dictates to his opponents. The domination that he showed over the late warrior Diego Corrales was embarrassing to say the least. Floyd was fighting Floyd's fight at Floyd's pace. "Money May" has what I call "reflexive speed" and when he catches his opponents with it, they are stunned. His opponents tend to think twice about letting their hands go.

Manny's objective must be to make Mayweather fight at a different tempo. It will bring him out of his comfort zone. Zab Judah did this for the 1st half of their fight and even knocked Floyd down with a right hook in the 2nd. . Mayweather's right hand touched the canvas, but referee Richard Steele missed the call. Zab was beating Floyd to the punch and was fighting at a tempo that Floyd could not handle. Zab fizzled out as the fight went into the last half and Floyd came back and won. Manny has a tsunami like punching style. At times, he throws 8-punch combinations from the southpaw stance at very unorthodox angles. This will befuddle Floyd and could make him fight Manny's fight as Zab Judah did. Floyd will be taken out of his comfort zone.

In April of 2009, when Manny was training for Ricky Hatton, Freddie Roach told me personally at the Wildcard Boxing Gym, that Manny went 17 straight rounds with NO rest. That is 51 uninterrupted minutes of nonstop mitt work! Manny tends to get stronger as the fight continues and this endurance will enable him to outhustle Floyd in the later rounds. The trick will be getting Pacquiao's output to land. It will not be easy for Floyd is a MASTER of defensive wizardry.

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The key word in this "opinion piece" is the word IF. A lot of things can happen "IF". However, if they ever fight, Pacquaio will land fewer punches on Mayweather than Marquez did (and that is not an IF).

[ufirst]

Flicker gave a better skills breakdown, I think. I once sparred 16 rounds against 5 different guys and it still wasn't the same as fight night intensity-it's just different levels.... It's true if Manny was the kind of fighter who physically bullied as well as threw that many punches (say like Ricky Hatton at 140+50 more punches a round) then I'd say his chances were better. Bouncing in and out throwing combinations like that doesn't work so well when you have a guy who won't stand in front of you. Floyd moves his feet well and any amateur trainer will tell you not to stand in front of a puncher. Pac has good footwork but its not the most tricky to figure while Floyd adjusts his rhythm & speed depending on the situation. I have to say, I can't imagine Floyd lying on the ropes much for this one (should it ever)because unlike a lot of his other opponents, Manny doesn't crowd himself when throwing at someone he's cornered-it the same in & out combos which is much more effective & doesn't allow you to tie up as much. If Floyd keeps it in the middle of the ring, uses his wits & counters, he frustrates & beats Manny.